Beyond Taxation Without Representation

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Subject:Beyond Taxation Without Representation
By: Theodore Butler

Overview: This is not about some ineffective federal regulator unable to do its job and wasting taxpayer funds. Sadly, that’s not big news nowadays. The situation is much more serious. This is about many hundreds of concerned citizens alerting the sole regulator of its failure to enforce the most important law that regulator was created to enforce, and that regulator looking the other way.

Link: http://news.silverseek.com/TedButler/1227634141.php

[mrgreg2001]

it is the american way why not take them to court if all this info is there for their wrong doing sue them

[mls56]

Originally Posted by mrgreg2001

it is the american way why not take them to court if all this info is there for their wrong doing sue them

I have wasted more time writting letters to my CongressLady & Rep in the Senate,that also happens to set on the Banking Commitity! If every person that collects coins & also is a trader in PMs would flood the Fax & Phone Lines in DC,we still would not get any Media or a Elected Offical to Stand up for us,so what the hell do you do,let them Dig thier own damn grave! Sooner or later,they will get what is coming to them,be it by some Act they do,or just plain luck on our part! Ted is right,when the rocket takes off,if you are ready to ride,it will be fast & high! Just a note,free Silver at your local banks,in the last 2 weeks,I have got 23 Rolls of 1964s Kens & 11, 40% Rolls! I off to the next City to drop off the fake halfs & see if I can get more at face,while enjoying the nice Fall Colors!

[Tom deSabla]

I agree that there is Comex silver price manipulation. Between Ted Butler and Bill Murphy and all the evidence supplied by them and others, I am convinced.

I also agree with Ted that this manipulation is a very serious matter, and that it is inexcusable, economically harmful and unfair.

However, I don't see this manipulation as somehow being a sore thumb sticking out in a society full of lesser wrongs. Let me explain what I mean, and by explaining, please understand that - in no way do I intend to make small of Ted Butler or his concerns.

Each person who uncovers a fraud thinks he is onto THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS thing ever in history. Especially if the fraud is real, big, and harmful, with effects that reach all across our society and economy, and challenge all of our legal and moral underpinnings.

Yes, there is more than one such fraud out there going on, and there are some real humdingers to keep this silver price fraud from getting a big head. How about Rob Kirby's contention that we aren't getting real interest rates anymore, because they too are being manipulated by JP Morgan's interest rate derivatives? Rigged interest rates is, well, huge.

No more bond vigilantes? Interest Rates being manipulated by derivatives? Gee, doesn't that sound familiar too? That's how gold and silver prices are being manipulated too isn't it. Maybe a futures contract isn't a pure derivative, because you can still take delivery. However, given how difficult that now is, and how much more difficult it is likely to become in the future, these contracts are pretty much trading and acting a lot like derivatives now aren't they?

The derivatives markets tend to become bigger than the actual market for the underlying asset they are derived from, and so the paper tail becomes bigger than the actual commodity dog. It's the same thing with Morgan's derivative book isn't it? Their book is like 60 trillion dollars, which is more than six times bigger than the entire amount of treasuries outstanding. Just like the gold and silver markets, especially silver right? Don't they trade more paper silver than even exists? You get my point - the paper/derivatives market controls the real market, when it should be the other way around.

So, not just silver, but also gold, and also interest rates are being manipulated too. That's a lot of evil things going on, but there's more. How about if someone discovered that federal income tax laws are (and have been for decades) being administered fraudulently, and that a person who truly read and understood those laws would be able to discern that the daily labor of most Americans is not subject to those laws.

Yes, I know that many people have had various theories about the income tax, and many of them have ended up in jail or discredited for one reason or another. However, only one man has truly found the holy grail, and, just like Ted Butler, he didn't keep it a secret - his name is Pete Hendrickson.

His truth, the fraud that he discovered, is nothing less than a total debunking of our income tax paradigm. He followed the law himself and became the first American ever to receive a full and complete refund of ALL his income tax withheld, including S.S. and Medicare taxes. He wrote a book on it, called "Cracking the Code."

He is being pursued and denigrated by the Justice Dept, and the IRS, and yet they cannot force him to return his refunds, nor can they take his stuff, because he knows the laws better than they do. Sure, unscrupulous courts are doing in his case what the CFTC is doing in this case, obscuring the truth at the bidding of the government.

They are trying to force him, by court order, to repudiate his previous signatures on his tax returns, and sign inaccurate new ones that show he owes them something. This desperate act of legal arrogance by the Justice Dept shows that Mr. Hendrickson and those thousands of folks who have acted on the law are a real threat to the income tax scheme.

The common thread running through here is that Ted Butler, Bill Murphy, Pete Hendrickson - all of them think that they have discovered the worst, most blatant, most egregious evil in America. You know what - they're all right!

That's the point I want to make - THIS OUTRAGEOUS CRAP IS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE PLACE! Just in different ways...some more examples:

Talk to the ID chip activists, people like Henry Vandergriff. He knows damn well that the federal government would love to chip every one of us. I agree with him on that. Anyone who doubts that there are powerful people who want to do this is kidding themselves, they're out there, in congress, in the DHS. People like Chertoff.

Much like the other activists I mentioned, they too wonder why no one seems to be listening to them. Don't let's leave the 9-11 truthers out either - pretending they aren't on to something is putting our heads in the sand. Three (3) Buildings Fell, and no official source is even talking about that simple fact. Not two (2) but Three (3).

I have the 9-11 commission report here in my office; it says nothing about three buildings falling. They do not discuss this because they do not want to justify why WTC 7 fell, when it could not have been damaged severely enough to just collapse into its footprint like that.

These activists too, wonder why they have been disparaged and ignored by the mainstream of America.

How about people like Tom DiLorenzo who point out that Lincoln was a jerk far worse than George Bush - a guy who freed no slaves, ignored the Constitution when it suited him, jailed and deported his political enemies, and rejoiced in the total destruction and burning of countless southern towns. He also brought us our first income tax back in 1862.

Not 1913. Not with the passage of the 16th Amendment.

Not one person in a hundred knows who DiLorenzo is, or knows the truth about Lincoln. Or the income tax.

How about people like Robert Stinnett, who uncovered the fraud that got us into WW2? In his book, "Day of Deceit" he shows a memo he uncovered, written by a Lieutenant Arthur McCollom that detailed the steps we needed to take to get into the war in a way that the American people would support. 8 action points, and gold-stealing FDR followed all 8. This is a monstrous fraud upon the American people, and it's over 60 freaking years old and still hasn't been resolved yet!

Stinnet probably wonders why congress isn't having a special session to deal with the earthshaking facts he's uncovered. Who could blame him? Me - I don't understand why speed limits are never raised; I think that's the craziest, most obvious thing out there that's hurting our economy, but no one talks about it at all. People aren't beating down my door to talk to me about it either. Yet, I think it's super-important.

The point is, there's a lot of wrong stuff that people have found out that went on historically, and there's a lot of wrong stuff still going on now. So much, in fact, that it is becoming seriously difficult to keep track of. As I become aware of more and more things, just knowing about them all is a burden on my mind. I have to get silly and nutty sometimes, just to release the tension.

I do wonder, as I have long wondered, what it will take to get all the people to realize that all these manipulations and shenanigans, and even beliefs, have a purpose, and that is to promote, perpetuate, and protect statism.

Statism is the manifestation of the urge to control others. We modern humans usually use the government as our proxy, or tool for exerting this control. I believe that only when we see this control for what it is, despite all the different ways it can be manifested and disguised, can we defeat it, and live in freedom.

I support true honest pricing for all things, especially the monetary metals, and so I support Ted Butler and Bill Murphy, and so should everyone else who cares about freedom. I'm just adding that in the big picture, there are many battles in this war, many fronts, and many people who desperately need our attention, our respect, and our help.

Believe it or not, there are even some career people inside the Treasury Dept. itself who know what's going on, and hate it. They try to speak up but are shot down and threatened by statist political appointees. They too, need our prayers and our encouragement during these crazy times.

Thanks for reading

[podrag]

Probably one of the best commentaries that I've read today. And extra props for using the word 'egregious' - a most under-utilized word.

You are right in every respect. Egregious [!] manipulaton is happening everywhere - Manipulation is rampant in every corner of every market and in every corner of society. It really is the ultimate result of fiat money, welfarism, militarism and statism that power has ben concentrated in the hands of a few players who are free to act however they please with the backing of the strong-arm of the law. Statism really is the worst reflection of man's ego manifested in the wider world. It is the manifestation of everyone's desire to club everyone else over the head.

Western society has become bankrupt on every conceivable level: Morally, intellectually and economically. We aren't free and instead we're trapped in some aweful financialist/corporatist pseudo-fascism that drains the wealth producers of their freedom and wealth.

And the only real way to make any difference, that I can see, is to buy gold and silver and regularly write very angry and disrespectful to the Bank of England.