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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly View Post
    Now wait a minute, FedFixNix. As I recall the American public did NOT vote the present diabolical despot into office for a second term. G. Dubya did not win the majority of the public's vote. What put him into office was the Electoral College vote, which is, in my opinion, a hopelessly outdated institution that needs to be done away with. Oh, and lets not forget some very crooked election counts going on in Florida! Were the "potty-trained" people responsible for that, or did the guilty party just happen to be the preseident's brother?

    Furthermore, of the present list of today's presidential candidates there is not one single person on that list that I think possesses the qualities of someone capable of leading this country out of the trouble we are in. Every last one of them is a puppet for the Council on Foreign Relations, which is primarily a body of "movers and shakers" who have quite apparently sold their souls to the Fed.

    Today, it is not the people who are qualified to lead that enter the big political races. What apparently qualifies them is their ability to buy air time on the boob tube and their ability to fund a campaign. I would like to see people running based upon their intelligence, their empathy with the common man and woman, their compassion for others and their ability to lead and think on their feet rather than how much money they can raise from the fat cats.

    We are never going to have good people running for office until this country makes some drastic changes to the WAY people get elected in the USA. The press manipulates public opinion in elections, that much is clear, so not only do we have candidates running that are controlled by the CFR, we also have a press controlled by the CFR.

    It's not the people who have been "potty-trained," it's actually the candidates and press who best meet that description.
    Kelly,

    You are right on, the people have not elected anyone since secret computer vote counting started. Here in Virginia, the constitution specifically prohibits secret vote counting and the candidates were notified of that fact before the primary...they chose to do nothing.

    There is one point that I disagree with you on...although the lame stream media will never tell you, there is a statesman in the race for president and he is not a member of the CFR. His name is Ron Paul...he has not dropped out and we are going to try to get him nominated at the convention. McCain will probably blow up by then with his insane call for staying in Iraq for 100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly View Post
    What exactly happened, Mikeck? Please tell us all, so that other's can avoid the same thing happening to them.

    Whatever it was, I am sure sorry it happened to you. I'd be feeling pretty bitter and angry about it had the same thing happened to me...

    And welcome to the forum, too.
    Kelly,

    It is a long story...bottom line, Liberty Dollar was, and still is, providing an emerging alternative asset backed currency. In the 10th year of operation someone decided they did not, (what?), like the competition, like it that we were educating people about the problems with our financial system, were on the verge of putting two tonnes of Ron Paul Dollars on the street. Whatever, they raided and took over the bank accounts, computers, products that were in inventory and that was awaiting shipment, gold and silver that was backing for warehouse receipts and silver that was backing for e Liberty Dollars.

    They took our property without due process and have not yet come up with anything that would be a legitimate criminal charge...no surprise there. The search and seizure warrant was smoke and mirrors and was written more like a high school student's recall of summer vacation than of a legal document. There is probably more info on the site than you care to read. I will post a couple of links in addition to: http://www.libertydollar.org/

    Announcement of the raid: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raidday1.htm

    Mention of Introductory statement for the Free Competition in Currency Act in which Ron Paul accuses the DOJ for prosecutorial abuse:
    http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/lega..._1_16_2008.htm

    List of all alerts since the raid: Corrected link: http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/lega...archive.htm#ca

    As I mentioned above, we are still in business helping the people avoid death by fiat.
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    Ohmygod, dude, I am so, so sorry! How this could pass for anything akin to legal is beyond me. It shouldn't have happened. And the fact that it did, is just one more illustration of how terribly askew the present law system is. Truly, truly, you have my sincerest and deepest heartfelt sympathy…(The scum sucking, money grubbing, mammon worshiping pigs…)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly View Post
    Now wait a minute, FedFixNix. As I recall the American public did NOT vote the present diabolical despot into office for a second term.
    I think you may be misreading my intent, Kelly. I agree with that completely, but I was not just talking about presidential elections. I was talking about representation at all levels of government.

    G. Dubya did not win the majority of the public's vote. What put him into office was the Electoral College vote, which is, in my opinion, a hopelessly outdated institution that needs to be done away with. Oh, and lets not forget some very crooked election counts going on in Florida! Were the "potty-trained" people responsible for that, or did the guilty party just happen to be the preseident's brother?
    I agree with all that and a lot more. I just lack time to write a book on it.
    But that simply makes my point. The people elected the president's brother, and all the other crooked representatives in Florida (and all over the nation) that allow and even support crooked elections. All these thieves and deceivers get into office by using cheap tricks and smear campaigns and an appeal to the lowest common denominator of the electorate, often prejudice and phony patriotism.

    Furthermore, of the present list of today's presidential candidates there is not one single person on that list that I think possesses the qualities of someone capable of leading this country out of the trouble we are in. Every last one of them is a puppet for the Council on Foreign Relations, which is primarily a body of "movers and shakers" who have quite apparently sold their souls to the Fed.
    Agreed, up to a point, but as I've pointed out many times before, there is too much focus being placed on the presidential elections, and not enough on municipal, local, county and state governments. But the Fed is only the most visible of the US Central Bankers who are behind ALL the think tanks, councils, and other influential institutions. And the CFR is only one among many of the key players in the corruption.

    Today, it is not the people who are qualified to lead that enter the big political races. What apparently qualifies them is their ability to buy air time on the boob tube and their ability to fund a campaign. I would like to see people running based upon their intelligence, their empathy with the common man and woman, their compassion for others and their ability to lead and think on their feet rather than how much money they can raise from the fat cats.
    A big Amen from this quarter. I've been stressing those faults in our electoral system my entire adult life. Money, advertising and wall street have to be separated from politics at all levels.

    As long as money can buy elections, we can expect to get the best government money can buy... and that is exactly what we get!

    We are never going to have good people running for office until this country makes some drastic changes to the WAY people get elected in the USA. The press manipulates public opinion in elections, that much is clear, so not only do we have candidates running that are controlled by the CFR, we also have a press controlled by the CFR.
    Amen, except that it goes far beyond just the CFR. It goes to the Bildebergers, Trilateral Commission, numerous British alphabet soups, and the international central bankers, IBS, IMF, World Bank, WTO, NAFTA, and a long list of other institutions.

    It's not the people who have been "potty-trained," it's actually the candidates and press who best meet that description.
    Well, what do you think I meant by "potty trained"? It's our media and educational systems that are doing the "potty training" and mind control, in order to get us the propaganda that will get their candidates elected. Those corrupt reps then vote in the FCC that allows ever increasing media monopolies, and the news-views grow more narrow with every merger or acquisition.

    Kelly, this system of gaining a money monopoly over America began in 1776, when the colonies declared their independence from England. The Rothschild owned Bank of England began waging a campaign to defeat republican government in America from that time on.

    Rothschild funded Adam Weishaupt as the founder of the "Illuminati", which was to be the philosophical, educational and leadership recruiting arm of the money changers (central bankers). The CFR was one of many of their offspring.

    I recommend reading Carrol Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time. He was a CFR insider who agreed with all their goals and objectives, except he wanted their effect on the world to be known, and recorded for history. Many of the important things are all there in his history of our time.

    This was the guy President Clinton called his most influential teacher or mentor, the guy who had the most effect on his outlook and thinking.

    Gotta go, but even though "we teh people" have been manipulated and assaulted with propaganda that has caused us to vote against our won best governmental and financial interests, in a representative republican government, it still comes back on the people pulling the levers in the end. (Assuming and honest vote tally, of course, which is no longer possible to do)

    FedFixNix

    "All of the perplexities, confusion, and distress in America arises, not from the defects of the Constitution or Confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation." -- John Adams, Founding Father

    "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." - President James Madison
    "You are a den of vipers and thieves and I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out. If Congress has the right to issue paper money, it was given them to be used by themselves, and not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.." -- Andrew Jackson's address to Congress 1829

    "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson.





    The Lost Science of Money - Mythology & Power:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly View Post
    Ohmygod, dude, I am so, so sorry! How this could pass for anything akin to legal is beyond me. It shouldn't have happened. And the fact that it did, is just one more illustration of how terribly askew the present law system is. Truly, truly, you have my sincerest and deepest heartfelt sympathy…(The scum sucking, money grubbing, mammon worshiping pigs…)
    I just want everyone to seriously consider that any silver or gold that you do not have in hand is not safe from the little bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly View Post
    Ohmygod, dude, I am so, so sorry! How this could pass for anything akin to legal is beyond me. It shouldn't have happened. And the fact that it did, is just one more illustration of how terribly askew the present law system is. Truly, truly, you have my sincerest and deepest heartfelt sympathy…(The scum sucking, money grubbing, mammon worshiping pigs…)
    Long story made short:

    I was going to buy into Liberty Dollars several years ago. The death of the US Dollar was apparent to me way before then, back around 2001 or so, after the election of GWB and his company of corporate raiders, monopolists, and thieves.

    I didn't buy in, because when I checked into it, there were some issues about the legality and getting entangled in counterfeiting laws. I believe that was the Treasury Department's reason for the seizures. We are in the initial stages of fascism. Most scholars who get banned or blacklisted from the mainstream say that the collapse of monopoly capitalism must result in fascism. I think they may be right.

    It doesn't matter whether you label it communism, socialism, hegemony, monarchy, dictatorship or fascism. They are all just smoke screens for the real danger of unchecked, unbridled, monopolistic power. The power can be political, economic, ecclesiastical, or economic. It's all the same if power is centralized and the people have little or no representation.

    I'm sorry for Mike's loss too, and for all the other losses that have happened and are yet to happen because of the unimaginable greed of the people behind the Fed and the international central bankers.

    Fedfixnix

    The story of 4 shipwrecked men and a banker on an island. Great illustration about the banking fraud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FedFixNix View Post
    Long story made short:

    I was going to buy into Liberty Dollars several years ago. The death of the US Dollar was apparent to me way before then, back around 2001 or so, after the election of GWB and his company of corporate raiders, monopolists, and thieves.

    I didn't buy in, because when I checked into it, there were some issues about the legality and getting entangled in counterfeiting laws. I believe that was the Treasury Department's reason for the seizures. We are in the initial stages of fascism. Most scholars who get banned or blacklisted from the mainstream say that the collapse of monopoly capitalism must result in fascism. I think they may be right.

    It doesn't matter whether you label it communism, socialism, hegemony, monarchy, dictatorship or fascism. They are all just smoke screens for the real danger of unchecked, unbridled, monopolistic power. The power can be political, economic, ecclesiastical, or economic. It's all the same if power is centralized and the people have little or no representation.

    I'm sorry for Mike's loss too, and for all the other losses that have happened and are yet to happen because of the unimaginable greed of the people behind the Fed and the international central bankers.

    Fedfixnix

    The story of 4 shipwrecked men and a banker on an island. Great illustration about the banking fraud.

    Yeah, counterfeiting laws are what they cited for their prosecutorial abuse, but any seeing person could tell the difference between LD and FRN...in fact I bet most blind folks could tell the difference. LD was never marketed as current money, coin or legal tender...in fact just the opposite...we wanted it known that it was not government money. I guess facts don't matter to tyrants, but now they seem to be having trouble supporting their unfounded claims...therefore, no charges have been filed.

    I enjoyed the story of 4 shipwrecked men and a banker on an island, but as long as man feels he must have government "leaders" I advise holding gold and silver in your possession. At least then they can't steal by going to some warehouse or by tapping a few keys on the keyboard to create inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeck View Post
    Yeah, counterfeiting laws are what they cited for their prosecutorial abuse, but any seeing person could tell the difference between LD and FRN...in fact I bet most blind folks could tell the difference. LD was never marketed as current money, coin or legal tender...in fact just the opposite...we wanted it known that it was not government money. I guess facts don't matter to tyrants, but now they seem to be having trouble supporting their unfounded claims...therefore, no charges have been filed.

    I enjoyed the story of 4 shipwrecked men and a banker on an island, but as long as man feels he must have government "leaders" I advise holding gold and silver in your possession. At least then they can't steal by going to some warehouse or by tapping a few keys on the keyboard to create inflation.
    Well, civilization and order comes with the price of having a government, and "leaders" or representatives. The problem is that the bankers and financiers have corrupted the system and the media to the point that people can be manipulated and exploited by the money changers.

    The Money Myth Island and Money as Debt are both simple and accurate revelations about the money trap we are in.

    Money Myth Island: http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm


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    Quote Originally Posted by FedFixNix View Post
    Well, civilization and order comes with the price of having a government, and "leaders" or representatives. The problem is that the bankers and financiers have corrupted the system and the media to the point that people can be manipulated and exploited by the money changers.

    The Money Myth Island and Money as Debt are both simple and accurate revelations about the money trap we are in.

    Money Myth Island: http://www.michaeljournal.org/myth.htm


    The Lost Science of Money - Mythology & Power:
    Thanks for the links. Money Masters is rather well done, but proposing that a fiat system would be alright if it were run by the government instead of by bankers is living in a dream world.

    You may enjoy this one: Fiat Empire
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...KYa4igLqqbm5BA

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeck View Post
    Thanks for the links. Money Masters is rather well done, but proposing that a fiat system would be alright if it were run by the government instead of by bankers is living in a dream world.

    You may enjoy this one: Fiat Empire
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...KYa4igLqqbm5BA


    I've seen just about every documentary Ron Paul ever made, or video interview with him. I've also read and reread Jekyll Island, by Griffin.

    The video is mis-titled, and although, like all Austrian viewpoints, it is seriously flawed on the solution side of the presentation. It should be "Usury Empire" Fiat is not the problem. Debt-based money is the problem. An unstable monetary system is the problem. Cycles of inflation and deflation are the problem.

    I haven't seen more than a few people on this board who even know what "fiat" is. At least they don't use the term accurately.

    Few people here have an accurate and clear concept of "money" as opposed to "wealth".

    Also, like most people here you have bought into the myth that government is the problem, and that private bankers can issue and regulate money better than government. The truth is that the private bankers have usurped and corrupted the government our founding fathers gave us.

    Government has never been the problem. BAD government is the problem.

    Government that is not of, by and for the people is the problem. Our constitution gave government the right to issue and control money, and the bankers bought that right away from the people's government, and thereby gained control over our nation's government.

    "Whoever issues and controls a nation's money control that nation." Steve Zarlenga, paraphrasing Meyer Amschel Rothschild.

    We, the people, need to take back our government and return it's power to issue interest-free money to the people's government". Then we could eliminate nearly all income taxes... immediately. The failure to do this very soon is going to result in the closing of the window to do so. It may not reopen for a long long time.

    It won't take more than a few years for you to realize that I'm hardly just "dreaming".

    "If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power of money should be taken from banks and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money, are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies." ~ Thomas Jefferson

    Here is some real truth about money reform:


    http://www.perfecteconomy.com/pg-why...only-fail.html



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