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    Cool The expanded variety of modern designs

    Back in the early eighties when I bought my first silver,
    not knowing a thing I was reluctantly directed by my bank, Detroit Bank & Trust,
    towards Englehard bars.
    I finally sold them five or six years ago when I needed funds,
    and got no extra premium just spot,
    despite their being in pristine still in the vinyl condition.
    Reconsidering, it seems that getting spot was better than I would have gotten at the LCS for other brand bars like J-M.

    Back then, seeking variety I was into the commemoratives,
    and my favorite was the 1987 4 coin U.S. Constitution commemorative set.
    Most government's regular bullion coins were conservatively designed and did not vary much.
    Chinese pandas, the exception, were just starting out, a quaint curiosity, and not yet on my radar.

    Fast forward to today, where there are many more varieties of coins to select from,

    Here are a few of them that have caught my attention.

    The first two of the Rwanda Lunar Coin series are outstanding works of art.

    2017 Rwanda 1 oz Silver Lunar Year of the Rooster BU



    2018 Rwanda 1 oz Silver Lunar Year of the Dog BU


    It's too bad that the next one in the series looks so stupid in comparison.
    Oh well, as a set collector I'll have to take the bad with the good,

    Last year the first time that I saw the Liberty medal I knew that I wanted one.
    Yikes! I just saw the new price. Last year it was only 60 or 70 Federal Reserve notes.

    2017-P American Liberty Silver Medal Proof (w/Box & COA)


    If I ever buy some gold, that design is high on my list.

    This next one seems the prettiest of the bird ATBs, but the Georgia coin being released in a couple of weeks is close.


    2015 5 oz ATB Bombay Hook Silver Coin (BU)


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    Question Egyptian fascination

    Over the past year I've seen a big up-tick in the release of ancient Egyptian themed issues.

    Details about Egyptian Gods Series Sobek Ultra High Relief 2 oz Silver BU Round Coin IN-STOCK!




    Egyptian Gods Series Khnum Ultra High Relief 2 oz .999 Silver BU Round IN-STOCK!!

    As a member of the Aries clan, that last design tempted me.

    However I've already succumbed to the sucker's mentality and fell for a couple ounces of the faddish rounds.

    One of these,


    1 oz Silver Egyptian Scarab Beetle MK BarZ .999+ Fine 3D Art Round


    and a couple of these 1/2 ounce pieces.

    1/2 oz Monarch Egyptian Cat Goddess Bastet Silver Round (New)


    When it comes time to sell these, unless selling to another individual collector,
    any premium that I paid over spot will be lost.
    Hopefully the increase in silver spot will more than compensate for the expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    Over the past year I've seen a big up-tick in the release of ancient Egyptian themed issues.

    Details about Egyptian Gods Series Sobek Ultra High Relief 2 oz Silver BU Round Coin IN-STOCK!




    Egyptian Gods Series Khnum Ultra High Relief 2 oz .999 Silver BU Round IN-STOCK!!

    As a member of the Aries clan, that last design tempted me.

    However I've already succumbed to the sucker's mentality and fell for a couple ounces of the faddish rounds.

    One of these,


    1 oz Silver Egyptian Scarab Beetle MK BarZ .999+ Fine 3D Art Round


    and a couple of these 1/2 ounce pieces.

    1/2 oz Monarch Egyptian Cat Goddess Bastet Silver Round (New)


    When it comes time to sell these, unless selling to another individual collector,
    any premium that I paid over spot will be lost.
    Hopefully the increase in silver spot will more than compensate for the expense.
    This has probably been a good move for the industry with bullion sales being so hard hit over the past few years. Bringing all these high end products to market with very high premiums. It gives people setting on the side lines something to get interested in probably more as a collectable item with potential future value. I just wonder if all these different items hitting the market won't more or less dilute the potential of owning something that turns to gold. Some are far better in the detail while others are far better as high relief items. Watching these items hit the market place over the past few years, so many of the early specialty rounds are not really that good any more and many of the new ones are not any better than some of the high quality generic rounds that have been sold for low premiums. Provident mints group had produced some very fine quality products before they got into financial trouble. Plus a number of other small mints have been producing excellent products but not at low Internet competitive pricing.

    It truly is amazing how fast the quality has improved on our rounds over the last twenty years.

    However if your just into stacking Silver as a long term investment or for financial protection it's the amount of Silver you have that generally will determine your future Gaines. Everything else is additional speculation to which everyone is free to invest as they wish.
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    Cool pretty shiny

    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    This has probably been a good move for the industry with bullion sales being so hard hit over the past few years. Bringing all these high end products to market with very high premiums. It gives people setting on the side lines something to get interested in probably more as a collectable item with potential future value. I just wonder if all these different items hitting the market won't more or less dilute the potential of owning something that turns to gold. Some are far better in the detail while others are far better as high relief items. Watching these items hit the market place over the past few years, so many of the early specialty rounds are not really that good any more and many of the new ones are not any better than some of the high quality generic rounds that have been sold for low premiums. Provident mints group had produced some very fine quality products before they got into financial trouble. Plus a number of other small mints have been producing excellent products but not at low Internet competitive pricing.

    It truly is amazing how fast the quality has improved on our rounds over the last twenty years.

    However if your just into stacking Silver as a long term investment or for financial protection it's the amount of Silver you have that generally will determine your future Gaines. Everything else is additional speculation to which everyone is free to invest as they wish.
    Yes to everything that you typed.

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    Indeed the minting technology has come a long way and seems to be accelerating.

    I wonder what new gimmicks will be coming our way.
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    Lightbulb with variety someone will usually find something to like

    I'll never sell on ebay, too many ways to lose, I prefer sites like craigslist and offerup.

    Nothing wrong with buying on ebay once you know the seller is good.
    I've bought from this vendor multiple times with no problem.

    When I first started buying these it was $26.99 for a bag of 30.
    Now they're $24.99 and if you buy 4 you'll get them for $23.74,
    not a bad price for 30 quality (deep cameo proof style) genuine fine silver rounds.
    Buy all 21 designs (coin and patriotic themed, no skulls or guns),
    and you'll have 630 grams in 630 pieces. 630 31.1 > 20 troy ounces


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...0/322291821414
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...6/232111943596
    https://www.ebay.com/p/30-X-1-Gram-9...e328/931714322
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...8/322291684726
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-30-X...1/222279409149
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...9/232111882513
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Buffalo-30-...6/222279467086
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...4/322291625386
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...3/222279539652
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...1/322291830275
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Indian-chie...2/222279668408
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...5/232111843733



    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...9/322291811661
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...3/322291839706
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-All-see...z/231822887792
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...z/321985068340
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...z/231774396700
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-30-X-1-...z/231822949535
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...5/322291769323
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/30-X-1-Gram...7/232111951212
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Freemasons-...3/222279425161

    I sell them as a forum flea market style vendor.
    Sets of 12 are made up from one each of the first 12 designs.
    Sets of 21 comprise one each of all.
    My shtick is that no other place sells a variety of 1 gram rounds without having to buy a large "random" content lot.
    Buy 5 or less and you select your designs, but you cannot select duplicates in the order of 2 or 5.

    My prices:
    ONE GRAM FINE SILVER $3 each | 2 for $5 | 5 for $10 | 12 for $20 | 21 for $35
    Purchase more than 12 and receive a bonus genuine U.S. "war nickel" containing 1.75 grams of silver.
    "I foresee little future in 'the price of silver', I see a huge future for 'the price in silver'." - heartbone
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    I hope anyone buying these things are doing so for a novelty item and not something to keep for investment.

    Very few dealers selling 1 gram bars or rounds and those that are willing to buy them back is at a huge loss from what I've seen.

    The only exception is for the 100 gram Valcambi pack if it's intact and has the assay card with it. Gainesville will buy it at spot, maybe, they are not selling any of these items today.

    APMEX lists a buy back price for any 1 gram bar at $3.40 under spot per ounce, plus the premium everyone has to pay for these things makes for a huge potential loss.

    The thing that would bother me the most is the fact they are made in Hong Kong and come with no mint marks, which is understandable being produced in Hong Kong.

    These were all manufactured back in 2014 and most have been listed by this dealer for two years while some are going on three years.

    Either he bought one hell of a boatload to keep selling them for that long or they are not moving very well and I would hope not for actual investors.

    I still believe having Silver in any denomination other than fractions of an ounce versus grams is asking for trouble, especially if they would ever need them to survive.

    Yes everything we buy is marked in grams but who pays any attention to anything other than the pounds and ounces? OK, the junkies do!!!

    If you believe you can buy these things at $10 over spot in quantities and still make a profit re-selling them, have at it.

    Sooner or later the price of Silver will rise and one way or another you can get your money back.
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