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IRS Rules for Gold and Silver Buying, Selling, Reporting & Selling Privacy Part 1
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    Default IRS Rules for Gold and Silver Buying, Selling, Reporting & Selling Privacy Part 1

    Rolling this up in a nut shell, you can sell up to 999 ounces of Silver rounds and bars in a single transaction without causing a 1099-B, greater detail to follow.

    However you can not sell $1,000 face value of 90% Silver coins without catching a 1099-B, which is only 715 ounces of Silver, keep that in the back of your mind for those hoarding bags of junk. $999 dollars is fine!!!

    There is no limit on the amount of Government rounds you can sell at any time and that includes all different countries or at least those listed below which includes just about everyone sold here in the US.

    This also includes the specialty rounds of different sizes the government sells, but this only applies to .999 or better Silver products not US Coins of lesser grade meant for distribution.

    To be clear before anyone gets any wild ideas about government rounds, they are no different than a generic round when it comes to reporting capital gains or loses, nothing and I mean nothing is exempt from the IRS other than what you didn't sell or lost or that which might have been stolen.

    The devil is in the detail below which covers 2018, no telling what may be the rules for next year. At least 8 years ago Silver sales was limited to 1,000 ounces or more of bars only before a 1099-B was issued.





    IRS Gold Buying Reporting & Selling Privacy

    Learn which gold, platinum, palladium, and silver bullion selling transactions are mandated to be reported to the IRS (for tax purposes) and what kind of bullion buying falls under current Anti-Money Laundering Laws (applicable to either suspicious or cash and cash equivalents high volume transactions).

    If bullion buying privacy and bullion selling privacy is important to you, the following information should be enlightening and helpful within the United States (and most AML compliant nation states).

    PLEASE NOTE
    In the USA, all applicable capital gains taxes are to be paid regardless if the bullion transaction is private or not. Whether private or reported, no bullion product sales are exempt from any applicable capital gains taxes (state or federal). Consult your tax professional on any bullion sales losses or gains you may have.

    Have you ever wondered why many online bullion dealers will not accept large payments in cash or cash equivalents?

    Why do banks fill out Currency Transaction Reports on their clients if they want to deposit or withdraw more than $10,000 USD in one transaction or within a small time frame?

    Why do banks, casinos, money service businesses, and other financial service institutions file Suspicious Activity Reports?

    Gold AML Policy & Gold KYC Roots

    The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 is often referred to as ‘Anti-Money Laundering Law’ or AML for short. The intention of this legislation occurred under the Nixon administration, and is purportedly in existence to thwart and track suspicious activities and capital flows which might signify money laundering, tax evasion, drug dealing, terrorism, and other criminal activities.

    While many commercial banks are often alleged to have done exactly this, many individuals and various other companies are often prosecuted and convicted of money laundering crimes.

    Knowing your customer is now key for any financial institutions ( e.g. banks, brokerages, etc. ) who want to remain in business long term.

    Is there any government reporting when buying gold, silver, or other bullion products from bullion dealers?

    Bullion dealers are not required to report any compliant bullion buying transactions to any government agencies.

    Almost all competent high volume online bullion dealers purposely set up their payment policies to minimize suspicious order potentiality and the daily inspections required which can produce additional costs, time requirements, and energies expended by bullion dealers to properly report any suspicious gold, platinum, palladium, silver bullion or other customer buying transactions to government agencies.

    By in large, within the retail online bullion dealer industry, we would educationally guess that the high 99-percentile of customer bullion orders are never reported to any government agencies. Let us further explains why this remains so.

    Online Bullion Dealer Payment Privacy

    Online bullion dealers often stipulate that they only receive large payments from currency sources which are already within the AML compliant, KYC regulated financial system (e.g. bank wire transfers, personal checks, business checks, PayPal, Credit Cards, Debit Cards, ACH transfers, Bitcoin, etc).

    Cash or cash equivalents like cashier’s checks, traveler’ checks, or postal money orders are often accepted by online bullion dealers but with stipulations regarding whether they are private or not. See IRS 8300 rules for further details as to why.

    List of Reported Bullion Purchases (Gold, Palladium, Platinum, Silver)

    PAYMENT METHOD REPORTABLE AMOUNT IRS 8300 REPORTED
    Credit Card No Amount No, never
    Debit Card No Amount No, never
    Personal Check No Amount No, never
    Business Check No Amount No, never
    Bank Wire Transfer No Amount No, never
    PayPal No Amount No, never
    ACH No Amount No, never
    BitCoin (via BitPay) No Amount No, never
    Traveler’s Checks $10,000 USD and over In 1 purchase or multiple related customer purchases (gold dealer discretion)
    Money Order $10,000 USD and over In 1 purchase or multiple related customer purchases (gold dealer discretion)
    Bank Draft $10,000 USD and over In 1 purchase or multiple related customer purchases (gold dealer discretion)
    Cashier’s Check $10,000 USD and over In 1 purchase or multiple related customer purchases (gold dealer discretion)
    Cash or (cash equivalents) $10,000 USD and over In 1 purchase or multiple related customer purchases (gold dealer discretion)

    Note that any Structuring of payments for Gold, Silver, or other Bullion requires SARs

    Bullion buying privacy requires that paying customers do not structure gold, silver, or other bullion purchases with cash or cash equivalent payments totaling over $10,000 USD (i.e. by combining multiple cashier checks, postal money orders, cash, or cash equivalent funds) and or engaging in other suspicious activities.

    All these very same compliance statutes also apply to any local brick and mortar coin shops, bullion dealers, money service businesses, pawn shops, etc.

    It is up to the discretion of each business to track and report any suspicious activity, cash, or cash equivalent structured payments for physical precious metal bullion products.

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    Default IRS Rules for Gold and Silver Buying, Selling, Reporting & Selling Privacy Part 2

    This is the second part of this article

    Is there any government reporting when selling gold, silver, or other bullion products to bullion dealers?

    Within the USA, this depends upon:
    •the specific bullion products being sold to the bullion dealer
    •the specific quantities of bullion products being sold to the bullion dealer
    •the specific time-frames of multiple bullion products being sold to the bullion dealer



    Gold IRS 1099-b and Silver IRS 1099-b Qualifying Sales

    If you sell your bullion to a bullion dealer the question said bullion dealer must ask themselves is what product you are selling them, in what volumes, and within what timeframe(s)?

    Within the USA, whether selling bullion to a dealer online or in a brick and mortar store, the customer to dealer bullion selling privacy rules are all the same.

    Specific quantity thresholds and types of bullion products when sold to bullion dealers in the United States are deemed reportable on IRS-1099B forms.

    When selling to a US based bullion dealing company either in one transaction or in multiple within small time frames, the following current minimum reportable IRS-1099 B bullion transactions are as follows:

    REPORTED IRS BULLION ITEMs SOLD
    (customers selling to US based bullion dealers) MINIMUM FINENESS MINIMUM BULLION IRS
    REPORTABLE AMOUNTs (not structured)
    Gold bars / rounds 0.995 32.15 troy oz or more
    Silver bars / rounds 0.999 1000 troy oz or more
    Platinum bars / rounds 0.9995 25 troy oz or more
    Palladium bars / rounds 0.9995 100 troy oz more
    1 oz Gold Maple Leaf Coins as minted 25 troy oz or more
    1 oz Gold Krugerrand Coins as minted 25 troy oz or more
    1 oz Gold Mexican Onza Coins as minted 25 troy oz or more
    Constitutional US 90% Silver Coins as minted $1,000 face value bag, any combination of various sized coins

    At the time of producing this document ( December 2017 ), every other government issued bullion coin not explicitly listed above, remains fully exempt from US based bullion sales to bullion dealer IRS 1099B reporting requirements.

    If you sell the required volume of reportable products to a US based bullion dealer, they the bullion dealer specifically is required to fill out an IRS 1099B Form with your applicable tax information (social security information and or passport ID information for international customers outside the USA).

    Silver Selling Privacy

    For example, based on current statutes, you can currently sell any and all government minted .999 silver bullion coins to US based bullion dealers and those government issued silver coins are exempt from IRS 1099B bullion dealer reporting requirements.

    This thus includes the following popular private silver bullion coins sold to dealers:

    - American Silver Eagle Coins & ATB Silver Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Armenian Noah’s Ark Silver Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Austrian Silver Philharmonic Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - British Royal Mint Silver Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Canadian Silver Maple Leaf Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Chinese Silver Panda Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Mexican Silver Libertad Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - New Zealand Mint Silver Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Perth Mint Australian Silver Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    Gold Selling Privacy

    For gold coins, government reporting privacy also extends for any quantities of the following gold coins sold in any quantities to US based bullion dealers:

    - American Gold Eagle Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - American Gold Buffalo Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Austrian Gold Philharmonic Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - British Royal Mint Gold Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Chinese Gold Panda Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    - Perth Mint Australian Gold Coins (any sizes and volumes)

    Platinum Selling Privacy

    Based on current statutes, you can currently sell any and all government minted .999 platinum bullion coins to US based bullion dealers and those government issued platinum coins are exempt from IRS 1099B bullion dealer reporting requirements.

    Palladium Selling Privacy

    Based on current statutes, you can currently sell any and all government minted .999 palladium bullion coins to US based bullion dealers and those government issued palladium coins are both exempt from IRS 1099B bullion dealer reporting requirements.

    AGAIN, YOU MUST NOTE
    Whether a purchase or sale is private or reported, no bullion product sales are exempt from any applicable capital gains taxes (either state or federal).

    Consult your tax professional on any and all bullion sales losses or gains you may have past, present, or future.
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    Thumbs down Life's a BITCH and then you DIE.

    It's truly unfortunate that the US has become a cuntry of sheeple.
    The founding fathers must hate that a foreign whoreporation, the IRS, sets rules for the daily lives of American sleeple.
    I'm confident the bad situation pisses off the spirits of those original patriots a whole lot more
    than it seems to my fellow slaves.
    "I foresee little future in 'the price of silver', I see a huge future for 'the price in silver'." - heartbone
    "The truth is called hate by those who hate the truth." - K

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