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    Question Double Silver Trivium



    Yesterday while traveling, I went into a pawn shop looking for some Barber dimes,
    where I noticed a Trivium proof in the corner of the display case.
    When I asked what was on the other side of the round,
    the proprietor told me the same thing.
    Sure enough, both sides were identical to the image above,

    How much?
    Although it looked a bit scuffed, when I was told $20,
    after hearing about those $10 Barber dimes, it was quickly sold.

    When I removed the pristine round from its damaged capsule,
    I discovered text inscribed along the rim,
    SS 1oz..999 Ag
    within about a 60° smoothed angular space.
    The rest of the rim is reeded.

    Although I have found websites selling double sided copper Triviums,
    I could not find any information on the double sided silver,

    I've spent a couple of fruitless hours searching for any nugget of information about this round.
    And no doubt I'll keep on looking.
    I've even posted a message (amongst hundreds) asking Mr. Duane about it,
    as a reply to one of his recent videos on his Truth Never Told YouTube channel,.

    Does anyone have a link to anything about the round?
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    Default mystery round

    I was able to find a 4 year old page that allegedly shows the "Complete Collection".



    On the page I did find evidence of the other one side BU, one side proof Silver Shield round that I possess, listed way up at the top at #6 on the list.
    However there is no specific mention of my Proof/Proof Trivium acquisition.
    Perhaps it was part of the "2012 New Year’s SSG Member’s" release listing?
    Last edited by silverheartbone; 21st May 2018 at 05:06. Reason: Corrected "BU/Proof Trivium" to "Proof/Proof Trivium".
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    Maybe it's not suppose to exist. There has been reports of a ton of Fake SBSS products that have flooded the market place over the years.

    As far as your product, it does come in a half proof version in error or so they claim based on a limited run, but they still allowed it to be sold.

    The difference is it isn't identical on both sides.

    You might have something extremely valuable and truly rare that slipped through the cracks, but if it was never meant to be produced like that in Silver, good chance it's a fake.

    It's a lot easier to simply duplicate a die once you have created it then trying to create two separate fake dies.

    The only logical way it could be made in error would be if it was produced on the die intended to created 1 ounce copper double sided Trivium round and they used the same size blanks for both metals.

    I have some one ounce copper rounds that are a bit smaller in diameter than a generic round and others that seem to be identical in size. So it would be possible for it to be produced in error or intentionally in error.

    If it's a true product from one of their dies it would have to match everything in fine detail to pass as something made in error and not a fake which is what most people would more than likely assume up front.

    No matter what, assuming it's actually pure Silver, it may still be worth $3,100 to your great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren someday, so hang on even if it's a fake.
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    Cool Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    Maybe it's not suppose to exist. There has been reports of a ton of Fake SBSS products that have flooded the market place over the years.
    I am not accusing you of spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt by employing the "forked tongue" in text,
    but I sure can not find any evidence that supports your statement.
    Do you by any chance have a link to such data concerning "a ton of Fake SBSS products"?


    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    As far as your product, it does come in a half proof version in error or so they claim based on a limited run, but they still allowed it to be sold.

    The difference is it isn't identical on both sides.

    You might have something extremely valuable and truly rare that slipped through the cracks, but if it was never meant to be produced like that in Silver, good chance it's a fake.
    The photos on that web page differ from my piece which has the identical die engravings on both sides,
    thankfully the less cluttered second of the two designs shown, with only the finish different on each side.
    The stated mintage of 41,457 mintage makes me think that it is not rare.


    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    No matter what, assuming it's actually pure Silver, it may still be worth $3,100 to your great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren someday, so hang on even if it's a fake.
    Believe me I intend to hold these for a long time.
    And I'll be looking to find even more of these unique SS rounds
    with the doubled designs and weight and purity engraved along the rim.

    Vale, I see that you've bumped your post's font size to 3.
    Perhaps you should back off the bold text as default,
    because it looks a bit stupid when emphasizing everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I am not accusing you of spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt by employing the "forked tongue" in text,
    but I sure can not find any evidence that supports your statement.
    Do you by any chance have a link to such data concerning "a ton of Fake SBSS products"?



    The photos on that web page differ from my piece which has the identical die engravings on both sides,
    thankfully the less cluttered second of the two designs shown, with only the finish different on each side.
    The stated mintage of 41,457 mintage makes me think that it is not rare.



    Believe me I intend to hold these for a long time.
    And I'll be looking to find even more of these unique SS rounds
    with the doubled designs and weight and purity engraved along the rim.

    Vale, I see that you've bumped your post's font size to 3.
    Perhaps you should back off the bold text as default,
    because it looks a bit stupid when emphasizing everything.


    For someone that has claimed to have been combing the internet to find all he can about his mystery product without success I can understand why.

    Plus I can understand why the designer has not responded to your request, he hasn't got the time to waste on people that do not know what's going on with this product line and it's fake products.

    I found out what I was able to in about a half hour and I really had no interest in the SBSS product line, are you really retarded or what??

    Just read his own web page for the following information that explains all about the fake SBSS coins that were minted and while your at it try doing a google search for fake SBSS rounds and you'll find out about the vendors that were kicked off of E-bay for selling them, that's how I found out about it originally. But then I'm not prejudiced to turn my head the other way and believe it can't happen to me.

    Then have the balls to call someone else out for Fear Uncertainty and Doubt by way of a forked tongue, I'm just calling you an incompetent idiot for not even considering it might very well be a fake from the beginning.

    I know you wear blinders to the truth, but this is ridiculous and coming from the designer himself

    I have no idea how you could possible miss this kind of information on the internet, but here it is and you'll have to read it, it's not a You Tube cartoon
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    http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=33160


    So it's ok that you use size three type and no one else, but if they do they can't use bold print. Sorry but I always use bold print it's easier to read especially on smaller devices as I use more often than my PC and full size monitor.

    If I want to emphasize something I change the type size or something else. It's like everything else in life, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.

    Like I didn't wait until I was old and broke to try and amass a pile of Silver, I did it while I was still young and it was cheap, really cheap, was that wrong on my part also???

    Maybe because I didn't have a degree in engineering that was the wrong approach, but it seemed logical to this uneducated slob
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    Thumbs up stellar research

    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post


    For someone that has claimed to have been combing the internet to find all he can about his mystery product without success I can understand why.

    Plus I can understand why the designer has not responded to your request, he hasn't got the time to waste on people that do not know what's going on with this product line and it's fake products.

    I found out what I was able to in about a half hour and I really had no interest in the SBSS product line, are you really retarded or what??
    .
    I did not find that information, but I did not look as thoroughly as you did.
    Thanks.

    I did not expect any response by Mr. Duane to my YouTube comment question.
    I was hoping for another video commenter to reply.

    I wonder if any of the knockoffs were solid fine silver?

    I believe that my Double Trivium may be included in the 2012 Trivium Proof mintage,
    but all pictures of any SS Trivium that I've seen always show a different obverse with the weight, purity, and 2012 date inscription.
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    Listen to yourself and your own story: "I did find evidence of the other one side BU, one side proof Silver Shield round that I possess"

    You obviously can not have one of these with the same issue on both sides as that would be impossible unless they produced it in copper and struck it on that die with a Silver Blank. But it's hard to believe they would try to produce a proof like copper round on one side.

    They may have produced a BU die and a Proof die for that one side if they were not producing them all the same

    The only other way it could be produced in Silver would be if they are only striking these coins one side at a time and that would be a problem with double striking the edge a second time using the same die, but that die would not be capable of single striking.

    Then are they producing that edge all by itself before or after the die stamping process

    They sure didn't produce a second die to produce a single strike and one for producing one side plus the edge.

    I just went to the obvious source for information on the Trivium round and then to Google to inquire about fake SBSS products which seemed like the most prudent course for something that you couldn't find anything.

    After all what is the likelihood of finding a fake versus finding a rare mistake that shouldn't exist.

    Logic says it's probably not real, could be, but a fake is the most likely outcome.

    As far as using real Silver to produce something that is selling for well above the spot price, makes sense and you have a much greater chance of pulling it off, especially in the western world where investors know how to check for none Silver items.

    Plus you found it in a Pawn shop versus an actual LCS where dealers might very well be more familiar with this product to know this shouldn't exist.

    One thing about Pawn shops, they are one of the best placed to dump stolen metal and fake products according to the information I read on the web in the past.

    If it's a fake, you didn't get stung for much at all unless when you try to sell it for anything other than scrap.

    It would be interesting to see how they produced these products with stamped information of the edging.

    I saw two different reeded edgings they produce, but nothing that had writing on it.

    Even if it's not a fake you may never be able to prove it if they say it doesn't exist.

    I have a one of a kind Steel Army pot at home that is actually one of two from the VII corp stationed in Germany.

    That's like one out of 350,000 that is unique to all others and I don't know if the other one ever found it's way back home as well from Germany.

    Actually I had two, one regular for combat and this one for honor guard. It may not have been very honorable to depart with it, but hey, they didn't pay worth a damn back then and they wouldn't let me take my M-14 with me which pissed me off since I only fired one single round through it in 20 months. At least a couple thousand rounds through my M-1 while at Ft. Benning and only one single round through that M-14 in 36 months.

    Plus I couldn't find anyone that believed I had a unique steel pot from the Army specialist that collect history and memorabilia.

    Maybe they stopped using them after they discovered they were one short when it came time for another ceremony.

    Whoops not something we can produce on the spot.

    Must have slipped his mind when he was packing everything in a hurry to head back home!!
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    The 2012 Trivium was produced in both a BU issue for $299 over spot and a proof issue and they didn't say how much that puppy would cost.

    I didn't see anything but a standard reeded edge on that round and there is no way anyone would pay a fortune for a proof and sell it to a pawn shop for next to nothing, especially when the BU was selling for $299 over spot and to imagine someone with their hands on a Proof mistake that slipped out the backdoor, other than a complete fool that is.

    I was checking out GSM to see if they had anything worthwhile to list for sale and I noticed they sell the SBSS product line.

    Check out this video and it talks about the 2012 Trivium in both the BU and PROOF version but not a mix which I see you corrected yourself on that issue this morning.

    It's also a good video to help you compare your coin to see if what you have is really up to their version of a PROOF or BU quality.

    Scroll down the page to the video

    https://www.goldenstatemint.com/1-oz....999-fine.html
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    Thumbs up Silver Double Trivium

    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    The 2012 Trivium was produced in both a BU issue for $299 over spot and a proof issue and they didn't say how much that puppy would cost.

    I didn't see anything but a standard reeded edge on that round and there is no way anyone would pay a fortune for a proof and sell it to a pawn shop for next to nothing, especially when the BU was selling for $299 over spot and to imagine someone with their hands on a Proof mistake that slipped out the backdoor, other than a complete fool that is.

    I was checking out GSM to see if they had anything worthwhile to list for sale and I noticed they sell the SBSS product line.

    Check out this video and it talks about the 2012 Trivium in both the BU and PROOF version but not a mix which I see you corrected yourself on that issue this morning.

    It's also a good video to help you compare your coin to see if what you have is really up to their version of a PROOF or BU quality.

    Scroll down the page to the video

    https://www.goldenstatemint.com/1-oz....999-fine.html
    What I have is most definitely a double sided Trivium strike in proof quality!
    Each and every one that I've seen on the market looks exactly like the ones in that video that you just referred to.
    So my double Trivium silver round is starting to feel like a rare piece to me.

    Why would anyone counterfeit a seemingly a non existent round?

    More and more these two rounds look like early mistake strikes by a rookie coinsmith,
    ones that needed a wee bit of tweaking before release.

    $299 over spot?
    That seems a bit CRAZY.
    Why would anyone pay that much for a privately minted silver round?
    I'll try to going back to that pawn shop next month to look for more goodies.

    Perhaps I'll should order a copper one to make a set?


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    $299 over spot was for the BU version, he never said how much the proof version would actually cost.

    But that kind of premium more than justifies the usage of "real" silver in a fake product if your hoping to pull it off.

    I'm curious about that information on the edge you were talking about, the video doesn't show that at all and I'm sure if it was part of it he would surely have been pointing that out in that video for the 2012 Trivium. He turns both coins around more than once and I never saw anything other than a reeded edge.

    Think about this for a minute when it comes to making a fake, they didn't realize there were two different versions, one for the Copper round and a different one for the Silver round.

    Your living in China and you have to buy a copy to fake, would you buy the Silver version or the cheap Copper version???

    Someone making a fake Silver product based on the Copper product in a proof version with both sides matching and whoops it hits the market and no one is buying it as it is known to be a fake. So it ends up in a pawn shop where it is identified as pure Silver and sold as such.

    Could be an operator error, which you can hope for, but most likely a real fake as more pieces of the puzzle fall into place based on a good copy of the wrong product.

    With hundreds of Dollars at stake in premiums for these generic rounds, they must be an awful tempting target to fake, at least for the early versions.

    Before I left Lionel trains, I bought a bunch of dirt cheap employee discount box cars and other pieces at next to nothing cost and put them away wrapped in cloth back in 1981 and the are still in the same boxes today along with the employee Christmas Box cars that were selling for around $75 each back then. Who knows, maybe there is a winner in those boxes by now or they are still only worth 50˘ each, no harm no foul.

    What surprise might await you, in 20 years that Trivium round may be worth $3,100 with the spot price still at less than $50, you never know!!!
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