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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I didn't post grocery store. Aldi's is not a supermarket.

    If the power goes out, then we're all pretty much ƒucked so why worry about that?
    As a matter of fact, I think that we'll still have power after the banks go away.
    And for a while we won't even have to worry about paying the bill!
    But what we would need to worry about in that situation, is when the power goes out due to a storm, it likely won't come back on for at least a fortnight.

    After consideration of everything, I'm going to order another of the lamps
    because the strawberries that I ordered last Friday already came today,
    https://smile.amazon.com/Hirts-Evie-...ef=pd_sim_86_3
    and the fluorescents won't cut it when the plants take off next week.
    Another light will make things less crowded as I start this year's outside seedlings.
    Can you imagine how much people are going to be paying for starter tomato plants this year?
    I can, and it's likely to be worse than that.

    Then there's the WORLDWIDE rampant crop failures that your whorprit media has been negligent in reporting to you.
    My analysis telly me that the main culprit is the brand new phenomenon,
    one that you undoubtedly can see some of the effects of on the non blue evergreen trees,
    that gradual yellowing and browning.
    I'll not mention the cause because I do not want to scare you any more than already are.
    If you want to know, do your own due diligence.
    But here's a hint: It may turn out rather difficult to get significant production outside of a greenhouse environment this summer.
    My basement garden is insurance for fresh and high quality produce, and I really like food.

    $90 300W is the smallest practical grow light for potent herb, fat buds and veggies
    https://smile.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTR...ef=pd_sim_86_7
    - Replaces a 250 watt HPS/MH
    - Max Coverage at 24" Height 3x3ft [$10 / ft²]
    - Core Coverage at 24" Height 2x2ft [$22.50 / ft²]
    - Avg. Power Draw: 136watt {136 watts delivered over 9 square feet max} 15.11 w/ft² {using less power is better}

    $140 450W has a less square grid than most lights
    https://smile.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTR..._d_product_top
    - Replaces a 400 watt HPS/MH
    - Max Coverage at 24" Height 3.5x3.5ft [$11.42 / ft²]
    - Core Coverage at 24" Height 2.5x2.5ft [$22.40 / ft²]
    - Avg. Power Draw: 200watt {200 watts delivered to 12.25 square feet} 16.32 w/ft²

    $190 600W is the one that I have now, which is best for a 3x3 area, but it will support the 4x4 that I'm working with.
    https://smile.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTR...C7M/ref=sr_1_4
    - Replaces a 600 watt HPS/MH
    - Max Coverage at 24" Height 4x4ft [$11.25 / ft²]
    - Core Coverage at 24" Height 3x3ft [$21.11 / ft²]
    - Avg. Power Draw: 276watt (276/16) 17.25 w/ft²

    $280 900W is the next step up from my 600W equivalent unit
    https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00UORXSIU?psc=1
    - Replaces a 1000 watt HPS/MH
    - Max Coverage at 24" Height 5x4ft [$14 / ft²]
    - Core Coverage at 24" Height 4x3ft [$23.33 / ft²]
    - Avg. Power Draw: 418watt (418/20) 20.9 w/ft²

    $400 gets you a 1200W equivalent grow light
    https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00UORXUBA?psc=1
    - Replaces a 1000 watt HPS/MH
    - Max Coverage at 24" Height 5x5ft [$16 / ft²]
    - Core Coverage at 24" Height 4x4ft [$25.00 / ft²]
    - Avg. Power Draw: 524watt (524/25) 20.96 w/ft²

    Heck if I get another light I should even build a semi enclosed reflector lined area to not waste as much light energy.
    https://smile.amazon.com/NAVAdeal-Re...ef=pd_sim_86_3
    https://smile.amazon.com/TRM-Manufac...4?s=industrial
    Something that I learned about back in the 1980s which really increases the yield of an indo garden, now has a high tech solution.
    https://smile.amazon.com/ExHale-365-...ef=pd_sbs_86_7


    Great Post - Good to hear from someone other than you know who

    What's your opinion on the single bulb type grow light ie.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I ordered a few - when they were on sale . Just getting my " tomatoe " seeds going - Sometimes I go to Amazon - just to watch the lady dance .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    Great Post - Good to hear from someone other than you know who

    What's your opinion on the single bulb type grow light ie.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    I ordered a few - when they were on sale . Just getting my " tomatoe " seeds going - Sometimes I go to Amazon - just to watch the lady dance .
    I used to grow indo back in the 80s and 90s and I used the old single bulb 400W High Pressure Sodium and a 400W Metal Halide,
    with all that heat and energy consumption.
    I thought that was what you were referring to.
    Instead you linked to a LED model that I had actually considered for today's final equipment order.
    My opinion is that you got a good deal if you caught a sale, and it's a good deal at the current price as well..
    I am likely going to order 4 of these https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01FWZVBIC?psc=1 one for each corner of my area.
    However I may later have to order a couple of the ones that you linked to
    because the ones that I am going to get today have more of a focused spotlight effect with their lensed surface,
    and their light may be too concentrated for my supplemental use.
    If they are too focused, then I will use them elsewhere, and swap them out for the ones that you linked to Boomer.

    I ordered some rooted plans on Friday evening ~8:45 PM
    https://smile.amazon.com/Hirts-Evie-...ef=pd_sim_86_3
    and they unexpectedly arrived in my mailbox Monday morning, so I planted 28 strawberry plants yesterday,
    the best 13 for indoors, the rest will go for outdoors in a couple of months.

    I will repeat this link where Clif High explains his rationale for his warning of the coming food production crisis here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kah_...tu.be&t=45m13s
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I used to grow indo back in the 80s and 90s and I used the old single bulb 400W High Pressure Sodium and a 400W Metal Halide,
    with all that heat and energy consumption.
    I thought that was what you were referring to.
    Instead you linked to a LED model that I had actually considered for today's final equipment order.
    My opinion is that you got a good deal if you caught a sale, and it's a good deal at the current price as well..
    I am likely going to order 4 of these https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01FWZVBIC?psc=1 one for each corner of my area.
    However I may later have to order a couple of the ones that you linked to
    because the ones that I am going to get today have more of a focused spotlight effect with their lensed surface,
    and their light may be too concentrated for my supplemental use.
    If they are too focused, then I will use them elsewhere, and swap them out for the ones that you linked to Boomer.

    I ordered some rooted plans on Friday evening ~8:45 PM
    https://smile.amazon.com/Hirts-Evie-...ef=pd_sim_86_3
    and they unexpectedly arrived in my mailbox Monday morning, so I planted 28 strawberry plants yesterday,
    the best 13 for indoors, the rest will go for outdoors in a couple of months.

    I will repeat this link where Clif High explains his rationale for his warning of the coming food production crisis here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kah_...tu.be&t=45m13s
    This is great if you are concerned about the quality of food you eat or maybe you want to grow a little something special down there, but what good will it do you if your power plant is shut down. Of course if you happen to be using a steam engine as an alternative heat source, maybe you can use it to drive a generator to produce the electricity needed to power those lamps in the basement. I sure hope you have an ample bank of stored food to last if you lose power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I used to grow indo back in the 80s and 90s and I used the old single bulb 400W High Pressure Sodium and a 400W Metal Halide,
    with all that heat and energy consumption.
    I thought that was what you were referring to.
    Instead you linked to a LED model that I had actually considered for today's final equipment order.
    My opinion is that you got a good deal if you caught a sale, and it's a good deal at the current price as well..
    I am likely going to order 4 of these https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01FWZVBIC?psc=1 one for each corner of my area.
    However I may later have to order a couple of the ones that you linked to
    because the ones that I am going to get today have more of a focused spotlight effect with their lensed surface,
    and their light may be too concentrated for my supplemental use.
    If they are too focused, then I will use them elsewhere, and swap them out for the ones that you linked to Boomer.

    I ordered some rooted plans on Friday evening ~8:45 PM
    https://smile.amazon.com/Hirts-Evie-...ef=pd_sim_86_3
    and they unexpectedly arrived in my mailbox Monday morning, so I planted 28 strawberry plants yesterday,
    the best 13 for indoors, the rest will go for outdoors in a couple of months.

    I will repeat this link where Clif High explains his rationale for his warning of the coming food production crisis here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kah_...tu.be&t=45m13s

    Thanks Silver - Good luck with the strawberries - that 36 watt bulb looked great - Listening to the Clif High youtube now - People don't plan on having a accident - BUT - they have car insurance - same with all other types of insurance - Preparing for bad times is common sense - People in this country don't know what it means to be hungry - and if they ever experience real hunger - They will act like the brain dead sheapel that they are.

    I was thinking about spacing the lights around 1 square foot each - ex. a sheet of plywood - 4x8 - would have 32 lights .

    Have you checked out the dancing girl ( homepage of amazon ) ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    Thanks Silver - Good luck with the strawberries - that 36 watt bulb looked great - Listening to the Clif High youtube now - People don't plan on having a accident - BUT - they have car insurance - same with all other types of insurance - Preparing for bad times is common sense - People in this country don't know what it means to be hungry - and if they ever experience real hunger - They will act like the brain dead sheapel that they are.

    I was thinking about spacing the lights around 1 square foot each - ex. a sheet of plywood - 4x8 - would have 32 lights .

    Have you checked out the dancing girl ( homepage of amazon ) ??
    Thanks Boomer, those strawberries are putting out new leaves already!!!

    If you go with such a grid, perhaps you should get a couple of different types in case one of the brands are not as reliable as the others.
    I am ordering several of both today as supplemental lighting.
    I think that you'll like that second one as well, although I think for your plans the first one would be a better more focused light source.
    https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...c=1&pldnSite=1 (more of a spotlight)
    https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MQCDS3U?psc=1

    I see a victim of anorexia in a red shirt dress spinning when I bring up the amazon.com home page, but something tells me that is not what you referring to.
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    Anorexia looks OK to me -

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    Thumbs up there is time to prepare

    On Monday, a little less than a week after the strawberry roots hit my mailbox, I saw a tiny strawberry blossom bud!



    Clif High's WebBot says that we are going to have wild swings in temperature, with harsher winters and summers, and next to no spring and fall.
    Last Thursday's 46° degree temperature swing has become the norm, and even though it's the dead of winter, recently all my bedroom windows have been opened on the regular after 7 PM.

    As far as I'm concerned no news is bad news, and as quiet as it's kept a food crisis may be approaching...
    Last year: https://www.iceagenow.info/extreme-c...rope-due-cold/
    This year: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...ean-consumers/

    Besides the normal Federal Reserve inflation, over the next year imported food will likely cost more, mainly due to the US dollar recent loss of its reserve currency status. Add to that, the fact that this country has largely abandoned growing locally under globalist manipulation, unless it is the GMO poison that no one wants, therefore our markets actually RELY on the same imported food that Europe needs. I expect that items associated with growing your own food (like fertilizer and lights) should increase more than average inflation. Bottom line, if you're even thinking about it, and you can swing it, it's probably a good idea to procure the equipment now before price increases or supply problems.

    Below is my selection of what I consider the current best grow light setup for the money.
    I believe this kit will create excellent lighting conditions for any 5' x 5' grow area.


    The 240W LED is to hang overhead, with one 48W LED bulb mounted at each table corner.
    If all LEDS are turned on, then it'll use approximately a max 450 watts.
    At 8.3 cents a kWh, running all lights 24 hours a day, it comes to about 90˘ a day.
    Running them for only 18 hours a day keeps the energy cost under 70˘ per day, and it keeps the veggies once mature from producing as prolifically.

    1 250W (600WEQ) LED $189.99 https://smile.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTR.../dp/B019ETLC7M
    4 48W LED bulbs @ $15.88 each https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MQCDS3U
    4 lamp sockets with 8.5" reflector/shield @ $8.99 each https://smile.amazon.com/Simple-Delu.../dp/B01E9IY6US
    4 lamp brackets @ $2.99 each https://smile.amazon.com/Chauvet-DJ-.../dp/B0002FODKQ

    Right at $300 it seems like a lot of money for some grow lights,
    but back in the day the equivalent lighting would have been over twice as expensive, consuming over twice as much energy.
    And today's dollars are not as valuable as the old ones were. So in several ways this is a good deal.

    BTW, do you know that hydroponics is the best way to grow many veggies indoors?
    If there's any interest, I'll detail the parts list and construction details for a complete DIY $170 hydro kit.
    One that has the exact same growing area as this $367 unit https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IK7PX88?pldnSite=1
    except it has much better light, although my kit doesn't have a computer to tell you when to add water.
    It has IMO much easier use and upkeep methodology, practices that are based on my experience.
    And better yet, my kit has everything needed for years of crops but the seeds, air, water, light, and electricity.
    If you already have adequate grow lighting, then the hydro kit's parts are only ~$80 complete, when ordered on Amazon with free shipping.

    Last week I saw an apparently newly available kit that is substantially similar to what I've cobbled together for $80.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VW6PYES?psc=1
    That kit does not come with the free shipping, or the years of plant feed, or the essential pH testing and adjustment supplies,
    or any support for my easy maintenance hydro upkeep methodology.

    This year I'm growing apricot tree seedlings, my first time growing any trees.
    You can't easily grow root crops or trees in a hydroponics unit.
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    Exclamation Converging Cataclysms Indeed

    In this interview I learned why there is so much food on the store shelves with no hint of any shortage.

    Dane Wigington-Planet Facing Converging Cataclysms Because of Chemtrails


    Although I disagree with his analysis of chemtrailing being the major cause for the environmental degradation and species extinction,
    it is a major factor, and it does bring the fallout to ground level decades earlier than it would have otherwise have precipitated.
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    This just confirms everyone in Miami and southern Louisiana needs to run for higher ground, plus anyone living near a nuclear dump fire by St. Louis needs to find a new home in another state....

    Antarctica is coming, not sure when, but it's on it's way. It's a 194 foot tall rising tide ice cube waiting to melt and ruin your retirement home in sunny Florida.

    Well maybe not yours or your great grandchildren's, but sooner or later that bad boy is going to make a mess for a lot of people if it keeps melting down there.

    But don't trust anyone, only believe what you can find out for yourself. WTF, just who can you believe in and who can you trust?
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    Thumbs down Amazon cooperating with the feds equals fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    This just confirms everyone in Miami and southern Louisiana needs to run for higher ground, plus anyone living near a nuclear dump fire by St. Louis needs to find a new home in another state....
    {snip}WTF, just who can you believe in and who can you trust?
    Not Amazon.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1MqpviyC3M

    I ordered that $300 set of grow lights a week before posting the above and for some unexplained reason Amazon has severely delayed my order.
    All of the gear has been in stock the whole time.
    A subsequent order has been totally filled with separate shipments, yet this one has not been filled.
    After completing dozens of orders, this has never ever happened.
    My plants are getting big enough to really be needing the higher power.
    On the last day of the delivery window, I received this notice.
    Delivery date change for your Amazon.com order
    We're encountering a delay in shipping your order. The new delivery date is indicated below. We'll send a confirmation when your items ship. We apologize for the inconvenience.
    That was Saturday and still nothing.
    Those stupid DEA techs must really be having a hard time in installing their equipment.
    I wonder if I'll be able to find their high tech wireless bug.
    Evil bastards.
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