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    Why would that short have gone unfulfilled. The futures market went above 18.39, and a limit order would have triggered that price. In fact, thousands and thousands of contracts were filled at 18.39 and above from looking at the volume bars.

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    Default there she goes!

    LOL. I see that they programmed their computers to take the spot price down the day after I buy some real silver.

    Quote Originally Posted by chroNick View Post
    Why would that short have gone unfulfilled. The futures market went above 18.39, and a limit order would have triggered that price. In fact, thousands and thousands of contracts were filled at 18.39 and above from looking at the volume bars.
    I was mistakenly comparing this unreal experience to my real experiences with placing market orders at certain price points with thinly traded stocks back in the 90s.
    For sure today's 'market' for "silver" is much different.
    Evil bastards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I grow weary waiting to save the buck per ounce, the "volatile" silver market changes are suddenly happening very slowly.
    So I'll likely get to the coin shop before the weekend no matter what, before the kabbal loses control.
    If this so called Kabbal exist with their systematic control over the market as you believe, it appears they have not lost any control as yet. What's next, $600 silver or $3,000?

    Not being foolish enough to ever believe I can outsmart the Silver market, I'm still hoping to see that $50 wall penitrated someday without hyperinflation being the driving force. Of course a $600 spot price sounds a lot better but what would it really be worth in buying power?

    I could see it possibly running wild to maybe $100 for a short top before declining, but these wild figures in the hundreds and thousands is like hoping tulips will once again be worth a small fortune or everyone is hunkered down in their basement while the savages run wild on the streets above and nothing is sane anywhere on the planet . That's when Gold and Silver might regain their status as the only real money again, but what good will it do for you unless you can manage to survive the insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post
    If this so called Kabbal exist with their systematic control over the market as you believe, it appears they have not lost any control as yet. What's next, $600 silver or $3,000?

    Not being foolish enough to ever believe I can outsmart the Silver market, I'm still hoping to see that $50 wall penitrated someday without hyperinflation being the driving force. Of course a $600 spot price sounds a lot better but what would it really be worth in buying power?

    I could see it possibly running wild to maybe $100 for a short top before declining, but these wild figures in the hundreds and thousands is like hoping tulips will once again be worth a small fortune or everyone is hunkered down in their basement while the savages run wild on the streets above and nothing is sane anywhere on the planet . That's when Gold and Silver might regain their status as the only real money again, but what good will it do for you unless you can manage to survive the insanity.
    I don't even need to be a certified math teacher to answer this with 100% certainty.
    $600
    Remember the number line? (If you need it I can make a representation of the number line.)
    Think about walking along it from the number 18 to the number 3000 to understand the reason why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I don't even need to be a certified math teacher to answer this with 100% certainty.
    $600
    Remember the number line? (If you need it I can make a representation of the number line.)
    Think about walking along it from the number 18 to the number 3000 to understand the reason why.

    No, you just need to be certified period.

    I can clearly recall all you Silver bugs saying how the Spot price was going to bounce right back up and through that $50 solid brick wall after the second decline and fall of the Silver spot price at it's front door in 30 years.

    I had 2,000 ounces all packed and ready to shipped off to NWTM as soon as it hit that $50 magic number and it fell just short.

    I stated back then that I would sell it if and when it hit $50 or any price over $30 after my 70th birthday which would be four years and a week after that nasty April back in 2011.

    The oh no's, it's going to take it down long before you'll have to sell at $30.

    Humm, I'll be 72 in less than three weeks and it seems to be a long way from $30 Silver and has been for a very long time.

    I might have to reconsider the amount I want to sell if and when it ever reaches $30 Silver again as I can't very well take it with me other than my Silver lined casket.

    As far as any special lines drawn to represent the Silver Spot price, the only one I'm interested in will be on the KITCO chart leaning upwards toward $50 and hopefully beyond before I die.

    If the world comes to a financial end and the Dollar is hyperinflated, we might see $600 Silver on that chart and maybe even $3,000 just before it turns to dust, you hope...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by valerb View Post

    No, you just need to be certified period.

    I can clearly recall all you Silver bugs saying how the Spot price was going to bounce right back up and through that $50 solid brick wall after the second decline and fall of the Silver spot price at it's front door in 30 years.

    I had 2,000 ounces all packed and ready to shipped off to NWTM as soon as it hit that $50 magic number and it fell just short.

    I stated back then that I would sell it if and when it hit $50 or any price over $30 after my 70th birthday which would be four years and a week after that nasty April back in 2011.

    The oh no's, it's going to take it down long before you'll have to sell at $30.

    Humm, I'll be 72 in less than three weeks and it seems to be a long way from $30 Silver and has been for a very long time.

    I might have to reconsider the amount I want to sell if and when it ever reaches $30 Silver again as I can't very well take it with me other than my Silver lined casket.

    As far as any special lines drawn to represent the Silver Spot price, the only one I'm interested in will be on the KITCO chart leaning upwards toward $50 and hopefully beyond before I die.

    If the world comes to a financial end and the Dollar is hyperinflated, we might see $600 Silver on that chart and maybe even $3,000 just before it turns to dust, you hope...........
    A Taurus bull, that explains a few things.
    That would be a ridiculous move to trade silver for FRNs, wait for the dollar to die.

    Only if you need something is it a good idea to trade your silver for anything less than it is worth, currently close to $1000 per ounce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    A Taurus bull, that explains a few things.
    That would be a ridiculous move to trade silver for FRNs, wait for the dollar to die.

    Only if you need something is it a good idea to trade your silver for anything less than it is worth, currently close to $1000 per ounce.

    I need to spend it on junk and more junk before I can't any more. What's the purpose of stacking all this Silver if I can never see any benefit from it.

    It's not as if it was given to me, well maybe according to some people at $4 - $6 per ounce but it was still our savings that paid for it.

    It's one thing to be rich and leave your children a nice nest egg, but it's crazy to save all your lives and leave it to your children while they spend every penny they earn.

    Screw that sh!t, let them eat cake and whatever's left over from ma and dad when they kick the bucket.

    As far as Silver being worth a penny more than the spot price, it isn't unless you happen to own something that happens to fetch a value over the spot price and not under it.

    And I'm not talking about hypothetical values of Silver, but real world sell it today for what it's really worth today, not what it was worth yesterday or tomorrow.

    I'm not looking forward to selling Silver to have cash to spend. I have cash, I want extra cash above any savings for tomorrow that I can just piss away on anything my little heart desires.

    Besides I'll have plenty of Silver left for whatever comes down the road and hopefully it will not be more disastrous up and down years ahead.

    Pst, how bout helping a brother out and I'll split that thousand Dollars an ounce with you on the first two million Dollars, so let's cash in this week so I can plan for a HUGE European trip for my birthday!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by silverheartbone View Post
    I don't know what you use, but I'm watching the kitco chart, and it just hit the mark this morning well after you posted.
    Currently $18.35. OK, now look out $17.29.
    Damned manureBULLation.
    The good thing is that I can still get a roll of Eagles and a bit of junk at a ridiculously cheap rate.
    OK, as usual in the "silver" "market" the short was covered (low of $17.21).
    This time seems different though, as it took forever to make that 6%, better than the bank's current annual interest payment rate though.

    Now close the brokerage account and buy metal.
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    Valerb - I don't know about 600 but I think something like 300 is likely. At least 100 is certain. The world did not come to an end and things were still functional in the US during the late 70s and early 80s. With all of the malinvestment for the past few decades, a sizeable recession is likely. But it probably won't be the end of the world. Commodities will likely benefit in such an environment, and considering all of the inflation post 70's, if we have the same kind of run up like we did in the 70's accounting for current dollar value as opposed to 70's value (pick any reasonable proxy, e.g. stocks, real estate, minimum wage, number of haircuts $100 can buy), I think it's highly highly probable to hit $100 within a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chroNick View Post
    Valerb - I don't know about 600 but I think something like 300 is likely. At least 100 is certain. The world did not come to an end and things were still functional in the US during the late 70s and early 80s. With all of the malinvestment for the past few decades, a sizeable recession is likely. But it probably won't be the end of the world. Commodities will likely benefit in such an environment, and considering all of the inflation post 70's, if we have the same kind of run up like we did in the 70's accounting for current dollar value as opposed to 70's value (pick any reasonable proxy, e.g. stocks, real estate, minimum wage, number of haircuts $100 can buy), I think it's highly highly probable to hit $100 within a decade.

    Well in a decade is a 30 year investment for me and I'll be 82 if I'm still alive. That's a very loonnggggg time for the any day now they have been forecasting for twenty years and you want to justify another ten. That sounds more like a SilverSellers charming point of view for the long term outlook. But you seem to be trying to justify Silver's rise with inflation and that doesn't seem to enter into the picture at all. Considering that rise in Silver price in the 70's was the reverse of today's manipulation, but no one bitched about that one I'm sure. However to reach $100, inflation will have to be hyperinflation for some period of time. With all the inflation we've had since the 70's and Silver hit bottom just below $4 an ounce in the late 90's and early 2000's, that's some really bad JUJU for something that was up to $40+ 20 years earlier. So there is nothing that says Silver can't keep on this Rollercoaster for many more years to come and my children may yet see the full bennies from my Silver. Naw, they will sell it the day they get their hands on it. $10 or $40, it won't mean a thing to them. It will just be one nice gift from dear old dad. That's not true, I'll sell some if it ever reaches $30 again. But good luck with the decade long outlook and I hope your Silver doesn't lose any spending power while waiting for it to bounce that high. One thing for sure, the people are not going to drive it up by jumping on the Silver bandwagon, at least not in any short number if years. Just not enough manufacturing capacity to cope with a huge retail surge and it would take far more than what we have been buying with manufacturing slowing down like it has. There is a huge glut of Silver on the market compared to the past decades. Now they are trying to justify this volume by saying they were really wrong in the past and that the amount of Silver was far more than today. They lie through their teeth to make the numbers work. The only buyers to bring the market down will have to come from some really big time investors going after those 1,000 ounce bars by the carload. Now that could do some real damage if the government didn't stop them!!!!

    Now we all want Silver to rise in price, but to buy now for a payday up to ten years in the future, humm. I just don't' see these casino players allowing it to get that far out of hand without the government getting involved. That's one hell of a lot of Short contracts someone will have to cover on the way up. Unless the big money stops playing the short side, they will be reluctant to let it go too far before reeling it back in and cashing in all the way down.

    I like the concept that in a world wide financial crisis, the markets will crash and manufacturing will slow way down and then all the Silver investors will rush to market and buy up every once they can lay their hands on.

    I do see one tiny problem with that theory, with this crisis in hand, where are these people going to get the money to keep buying Silver at any price, with being out of work or scared to death they are next?

    Does anyone remember how often the local restaurants were empty during the last fiasco for several months. Not everyone was out of work by any means, but it seems like everyone was worried about their income for some period of time.

    I don't believe that will be the time Joe public decides to start investing in Silver as his last means of investing if he's interested in investing at all. With panic comes hoarding of cash and rightly so.

    Plus with a market crash and people out of work, that means there will be a lot of people selling their Gold and Silver to make ends meet.

    One last thought, ten years ago the spot price was $3 less than it is today, so it's not that easy to predict what inflation will do to Silver over any ten year period of time.
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