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Agman
24th May 2008, 15:25
Hello.

I bought two Argor Heraeus 1 kilo 999 fine silver bars but they do not have
the serial number on it. I was looking on ebay and all bars from this company have serial number. Now im afraid that my are fakes.:(

Can you help me to find if they are the right one?

Best regards.

SilverHawk
1st June 2008, 19:19
I don't know anything about this company, let alone heard of them before. If your not happy or confident holding this bar, or fear you may not be able to easily resell it someday, take it back to the dealer for an even exchange. That's if you have the receipt or know the guy well.

Phaeton
1st June 2008, 21:31
They seem to be a PM provider out of Switzerland. Here's a link to a pic of one of their 1 kilo bars. It looks like you might be safe, but I don't think they're really known in the US. You may want to trade them in for a more prominent name.

http://www.24carat.co.uk/silverbullionbars1kiloheraeusframe.html

argentos
18th June 2008, 08:49
I have similar. It has no serial number.

I have never seen a Heraeus silver bar on ebay.co.uk (http://www.ebay.co.uk/) with a serial number. Maybe the US ebay numbered bars are very old?

Heraus is not a provider from Switzerland, but a large international refiner based in Germany.
http://www.heraeus.de/hh/eng/holding_home.nsf/$frameset/fKonzernbe

Heraus are on the LBMA London Good Delivery list for both gold and silver. :D
http://www.lbma.org.uk/good_delivery_cover.html

Coininvest (head office in London, warehouse in Germany) does not ship to the US of A, but it does have a picture of such a bar, also without serial number which you can compare with yours.
http://coininvestdirect.com/main.php?a=12&id=183&country_id=84

http://coininvestdirect.com/pictures/014_0.jpg

Our problem with silver in Europe is that Value Added Tax has to be paid (difference between "netto" and "brutto" on the Coininvest website) which is 17% UK, 19% Germany.
You cannot reclaim the tax when you sell, unless you are VAT registered with a Euro guvmint, eg:http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/index.htm
Gold bullion does not attract VAT here.

So not to worry unduly, Agman. It is highly unlikely that your bar, being silver not gold, might be a forgery (e.g plated lead).

To be certain, you can try to remember that business of weighing things in and out of water to get the specific gravity that you learned in Physics at school ! :confused:

argentos
18th June 2008, 09:36
I have blundered. Sorry, Phaeton.

Argor-Heraeus SA (http://www.goldbarsworldwide.com/PDF/RB_2_ArgorHeraeus.pdf) is a separate company, part-owned by Heraeus, of whom I'd never heard.


In 2002, the Austrian Mint (24.3%) also became a shareholder, alongside Heraeus (26.5%), Commerzbank (26.5%) and management (22.7%).However, I cannot see any silver bars on their website.

nighthitcher
2nd April 2010, 07:17
sounds good to me

Johnkitty
12th April 2010, 01:11
What will we do if that is a fake? I'm interested in that. Get loss?