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Jake
1st December 2009, 03:33
Chart of the Correlation
Between Silver, Gold and Their
Inverse Vibration Orbs
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ddX1PrzxAeg/SulBfrmrNvI/AAAAAAAAALk/0yOUuAfaBXg/s320/20091028_tbm2_busy.png

Let's take a look at this chart. Don't look unless you want your eyes to go blurry within 5 seconds. The redlines corespond to the orbs of the gold vibrations within the context of 3 waves placed on the side of two sea turtles swimming with sychronous belly strokes. I don't think turtles have breasts...That's for another technical analysis discussion.

The silver lines are green, I guess. Do they show anything?...Probably not...Wait...The third orb has two tiny blips on it...oh...that was a piece of cheese from my nachos. Moving on, The peaks are the most important part of this TA analysis. Now...they say you can predict stuff even though the universe hasn't been invented yet....Hmmm....I can't understand that old man Peabody...He had this crazy idea of breeding pine trees!
Here is the Moving Ave. of these Orb Thingys
http://merchantalchemy.com/riskfactor_files/riskfactor.png
Notice that it doesn't improve a damn thing.

Moving on: I Put Together a Flow Chart of These Gold and Silver Price Orb Vibrations to Show How It Might Look if Bureaucrats Got A Hold of it:
http://cobankopegi.com/b/obama-care-chart.jpg
As you can see, the price of silver and gold can easily be predicted if you just "guess" that the first flow-rate of price vibrations pass through a set of influences called "technical analytical manipulators" employed by the tax payers to "predict" prices the way they want using gobs of money. Wait, I thought simple TA predicted markets...Could it be that Gold and Silver respond to fundamental analysis only? I'll leave that for other gurus in here to ponder.

Here's a flow chart that shows
some kinda thing that I'm sure looks good; so,
I'm going to use it:
http://www.mdsmedicalsoftware.com/images/pediatric-growth-chart.png
Projections can be made whenever the action goes through a lateral consolidation period. Then as it breaks significant resistance levels we can calculate a projection. We might need 4th grade math, but we can do it.

Do they work? Well they seem to. In my experience the initial projection, whether in stocks, bullion or Indices, is the most likely to come true, in fact over 80% of the time unless it's wrong-in which case, the thing doesn't work.

Then the more new projections the less likely they are to be fulfilled until at some point the action reverses (it always does). So for now breadth of the vibration orbs is easy but ALWAYS be on guard for surprises---because you never actually know any of this as it a bunch of fucking BS.

Looking at the 25 usual long term indicators, everything is positive with a couple of cautions. There are always "cautions", because I can never actually say anything for fear that I might be wrong, so I try to say stuff that, after the fact, can be interpreted to be right every time. It's like astrology!

Checking the prediction of momentum strength versus the strength during the March-May 2010 move I see that although the momentum started with the same strength level, in the past month the strength has been deteriorating. It may actually have been strengthening, but lets not get technical, afterall, this is just an exercise for entertainment purposes only.

Just a warning for now. Although the volume indicator has kept pace with the silver vibration orb performance of the previous period I would have been more impressed if the upside volume was somewhat more aggressive and in your face. However, I must still rate the long term as somewhat between bullish and bearish .

For the past month and a half, as the price of gold continued to move higher and higher, the momentum indicator has turned from an initial aggressive, in your face, up trend into a lateral sheepish trend. Now this weakening in the underlying rate of strength increase could be a sign that sheeps sleep with their wool pointing north.

The price move in silver is not yet disastrous. It is when the momentum indicator starts to show a rate of strength as a negative as the price moves higher that one has to really watch out for. <--This is an actual sentence lifted from some idiot's TA ramblings---unreal!

Then, of course, as the momentum drops below its neutral line, one starts to make darn sure he has his exit strategy up to date. <---Huh? But that's still off in the distant future. For now the intermediate term is also rated as BULLISH . <---Whew!

Argyria
1st December 2009, 06:10
Excellent! Keep up the good work, we're counting on you.

TheLoneRanger
1st December 2009, 06:58
I see the head and sholders... but I also see the dandruff.. are you sure you lathered and rinsed the chart twice?

ryshay
1st December 2009, 09:25
I love TA!



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MasterQ
1st December 2009, 10:09
I love TA!



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Now that my friend is some TALENTED TA!

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ccjoe
1st December 2009, 11:07
Chart of the Correlation
Between Silver, Gold and Their
Inverse Vibration Orbs
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ddX1PrzxAeg/SulBfrmrNvI/AAAAAAAAALk/0yOUuAfaBXg/s320/20091028_tbm2_busy.png

Let's take a look at this chart. Don't look unless you want your eyes to go blurry within 5 seconds. The redlines corespond to the orbs of the gold vibrations within the context of 3 waves placed on the side of two sea turtles swimming with sychronous belly strokes. I don't think turtles have breasts...That's for another technical analysis discussion.

The silver lines are green, I guess. Do they show anything?...Probably not...Wait...The third orb has two tiny blips on it...oh...that was a piece of cheese from my nachos. Moving on, The peaks are the most important part of this TA analysis. Now...they say you can predict stuff even though the universe hasn't been invented yet....Hmmm....I can't understand that old man Peabody...He had this crazy idea of breeding pine trees!
Here is the Moving Ave. of these Orb Thingys
http://merchantalchemy.com/riskfactor_files/riskfactor.png
Notice that it doesn't improve a damn thing.

Moving on: I Put Together a Flow Chart of These Gold and Silver Price Orb Vibrations to Show How It Might Look if Bureaucrats Got A Hold of it:
http://cobankopegi.com/b/obama-care-chart.jpg
As you can see, the price of silver and gold can easily be predicted if you just "guess" that the first flow-rate of price vibrations pass through a set of influences called "technical analytical manipulators" employed by the tax payers to "predict" prices the way they want using gobs of money. Wait, I thought simple TA predicted markets...Could it be that Gold and Silver respond to fundamental analysis only? I'll leave that for other gurus in here to ponder.

Here's a flow chart that shows
some kinda thing that I'm sure looks good; so,
I'm going to use it:
http://www.mdsmedicalsoftware.com/images/pediatric-growth-chart.png
Projections can be made whenever the action goes through a lateral consolidation period. Then as it breaks significant resistance levels we can calculate a projection. We might need 4th grade math, but we can do it.

Do they work? Well they seem to. In my experience the initial projection, whether in stocks, bullion or Indices, is the most likely to come true, in fact over 80% of the time unless it's wrong-in which case, the thing doesn't work.

Then the more new projections the less likely they are to be fulfilled until at some point the action reverses (it always does). So for now breadth of the vibration orbs is easy but ALWAYS be on guard for surprises---because you never actually know any of this as it a bunch of fucking BS.

Looking at the 25 usual long term indicators, everything is positive with a couple of cautions. There are always "cautions", because I can never actually say anything for fear that I might be wrong, so I try to say stuff that, after the fact, can be interpreted to be right every time. It's like astrology!

Checking the prediction of momentum strength versus the strength during the March-May 2010 move I see that although the momentum started with the same strength level, in the past month the strength has been deteriorating. It may actually have been strengthening, but lets not get technical, afterall, this is just an exercise for entertainment purposes only.

Just a warning for now. Although the volume indicator has kept pace with the silver vibration orb performance of the previous period I would have been more impressed if the upside volume was somewhat more aggressive and in your face. However, I must still rate the long term as somewhat between bullish and bearish .

For the past month and a half, as the price of gold continued to move higher and higher, the momentum indicator has turned from an initial aggressive, in your face, up trend into a lateral sheepish trend. Now this weakening in the underlying rate of strength increase could be a sign that sheeps sleep with their wool pointing north.

The price move in silver is not yet disastrous. It is when the momentum indicator starts to show a rate of strength as a negative as the price moves higher that one has to really watch out for. <--This is an actual sentence lifted from some idiot's TA ramblings---unreal!

Then, of course, as the momentum drops below its neutral line, one starts to make darn sure he has his exit strategy up to date. <---Huh? But that's still off in the distant future. For now the intermediate term is also rated as BULLISH . <---Whew!
Stop it Jake, you're killing me! Can't stop laughing as my eyes are watering!

DaleFromCalgary
1st December 2009, 12:27
The fallacy with technical analysis is that it assumes the market is honest, and it doesn't account for the observer effect. We know the Wall Street banksters are gaming the market by front-running trades and short-selling to undermine their customers' options. The observer effect comes into play when all the TAers use the same or similar charts, act together, and simultaneously are acted upon by contrarian TAers. This is why I stay with fundamentals. TA is no different than card-counting at a casino.

TheLoneRanger
1st December 2009, 14:12
Dale.. in defense of TA, I must correct you.. TA doesn't care about any fundamental or market force.. they are not relevant to TA.. TA is a pure pattern play , and the pattern is solely set by the data points of daily close quotes. So you can't say that failure to concider fundamentals or market forces or animal spirits or anything other than the input data points is a weakness.. and it would be equally wrong to say the same was a strenght.. they are, as far as TA is concerned .. totally irrelevant.. they don't come into play at all... it is pure pattern set by data points.. sometimes folks have a hard time wrapping their mind arround that simple fact about TA.. TA can't tell you why. because TA doesn't care why.. pure pattern pure and simple pattern.

If you are going to diss TA.. you got to use something relevant to TA. And the patterns do not have to be 100% right.. all they have to do is provide a significantly probability statistically seaking of being more right than wrong to give a trader an edge...

I would say.. just offhand.. the fault does not lie with the TA discipline as much as it lies with ill disciplined analyists misusing TA as a specific case prognosticator when all it is capabile of actually doing is tilting the odds of being right more often than being wrong in the analysist's favor.

But what do I know.. I'm into listening to my inner bell...

Jake
1st December 2009, 15:45
LoneRanger Says, "...And the patterns do not have to be 100% right.. all they have to do is provide a significantly probability statistically seaking of being more right than wrong to give a trader an edge..."
The Real Question We Should All Be Asking is "What is the ANSWER?"
"I Mean What IS THE REAL TRUTH?"

Can we Find This Out Using TA?
Of Course, I and Main and Q have said all you gotta do is use enough TA indicators. If you can't predict the future with 16 indicators, use 28 or even 87. Just keep adding those "signals" until you guess...I mean predict it.
These Charts Look Like They Can Predict Anything!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/3818729189_8da9629bde.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l8gHrhQiXlE/SozV2cinyOI/AAAAAAAAAkE/EedN28bdays/s400/60m+spx.png
It takes 7˝ million years to compute and check the answers, Unfortunately, The Ultimate Question itself is unknown. Predicting the future with TA uses pan-dimensional creators assuming the form of mice.
http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/aboZctrHfK8/default.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aboZctrHfK8
The process is hindered after eight million years by the unexpected arrival on Earth of the 96th Indicator and then is ruined completely, five minutes before completion, when the Earth is destroyed by the Vogons to make way for a new Hyperspace Bypass Indicator. This is later revealed to have been a ruse: the Vogons had been hired to destroy the Earth by a consortium of Banksters, led by Tiny Tim, who feared for the loss of their careers when the meaning of life became known.

Thus remains "The Question". This 'question' is impossible with a standard set of Scrabble, which contains only two Ys, instead of four (unless you count the two blank tiles).

Suddenly, some TA "expert" shows up and pulls random letters from a bag, but only gets the sentence "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"

“ "Six by nine. Forty two."
"That's it. That's all there is."
42
"I always thought something was fundamentally wrong with the universe"
Six by nine is, of course, fifty-four. The program on the "Earth computer" should have run correctly, but the unexpected arrival of the 96th indicator on prehistoric Earth caused input errors into the system—computing (because of the garbage in, garbage out rule) the wrong question—the question in our subconscious being invalid all along!

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened
Some TA Followers subsequently noticed that 6(Base13) × 9(Base13) = 42(Base13). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:42_Logical_Positivism_Avenue.ogg <--Click on the little Arrow After Going to this Link

TheLoneRanger
1st December 2009, 15:51
Oh what the heck.. I suppose knocking down strawmen can be fun for some.

Sue-Z-Q
1st December 2009, 15:59
Only if ya don't live in a world of the mindset "Live and Let Live".

I don't see the big Kerfluffle between Believers and Non-Believers in the TA realm, frankly.

It's sorta like being a smoker or a non-smoker. Do WTF you want in the privacy of your own home, IMO. Leave the other people alone - ya likely ain't gonna convince a non to start smoking, or a smoker to quit. So live and let live. Enjoy the "common ground" and even look for it, if need be.

Jake
1st December 2009, 16:03
Only if ya don't live in a world of the mindset "Live and Let Live".

I don't see the big Kerfluffle between Believers and Non-Believers in the TA realm, frankly.

It's sorta like being a smoker or a non-smoker. Do WTF you want in the privacy of your own home, IMO. Leave the other people alone - ya likely ain't gonna convince a non to start smoking, or a smoker to quit. So live and let live. Enjoy the "common ground" and even look for it, if need be.

Have you thrown anyone out of your coin shop lately?

Sue-Z-Q
1st December 2009, 16:14
Have you thrown anyone out of your coin shop lately?


Nope. It's been back in 1996 when we actually threatened it. If hubs hadn't, I would've.

Once had a drunk about 2000 who came in, got pissed we wouldn't purchase A GUITAR, and we suggested he leave as he ranted, raged, acted like Cassius Clay doing that prancy boxer's footwork like he was gonna throw a punch, and hubs, an ex-Green Beret wasn't gonna take unfair advantage of an inebriated rascal. He later called ME up and told me how much he hated my husband (thanks for sharing, obsessive-guy.) I heard him out, suggested he go to AA. Well, well, well, he listened to ol' Suze. He got into AA, came in, "made amends", and now he stops in to visit regularly, and have cups of free coffee, and we laugh about his alcoholic days. Among the Gang, he has a lot of friendship and acceptance he never had when he was a drunk, and is learning how, as a sober person, it is to "be a friend" and to HAVE FRIENDS when he wasn't swimming around in a bottle and behaving like it.

I obviously got on your nerves, sweetie. I'm thinking maybe YOU have been invited to leave and not come back.

Please ignore my postings if for some reason I seem to rub you the wrong way, or cut too close to the bone.

I'm rather used to it in life. People either like me - or hate my guts. Fortunately the latter tend to be few and far between.

I am aware of where you are "coming from". LOL.

TheLoneRanger
1st December 2009, 16:16
Your ahead of me Suz-E-Q.. I lost track of if Jake was making fun of TA folks or making fun of folks that make fun of TA folks a few posts back...

akak
1st December 2009, 16:18
Your ahead of me Suz-E-Q.. I lost track of if Jake was making fun of TA folks or making fun of folks that make fun of TA folks a few posts back...

I have to admit that despite all that Jake has contributed to this forum, this recent mocking of TA is getting a little stale. The first time was funny, the fifth time in one day not so much. We get the point --- now can we move on?