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JCM6395
8th September 2009, 20:38
Pre World War 1 Germany had a gold back currency that traded at a 4 to 1 ratio against the dollar. I think we can all agree the Germans are adept at finances. After their WW 1 defeat, the German Mark traded at a 9 to 1 ratio. By 1921 it reached a 60 to 1 ratio. Then things really got interesting.... It soared to 4.2 trillion to one dollar by 1923. They pumped money into their economy without raising interest rates....hmmmm that sounds familiar. Workers were paid on the hour. They were given two raises a day. Their wives would come by to collect their husbands checks and run out to buy what they could before prices rose. By November, 1923 they were paying 36 billion marks for 1 lb. of meat, 3 billion for 1 lb of bread, and here is the f'ing killer.....4 billion marks for a glass of beer :eek:

Lets all hope that our national leaders will stop spending like drunken sailors and say....gee maybe this isn't such a good idea after all.

DaBrownsRPhat
8th September 2009, 20:41
I have a 100 TRILLION dollar bill.......

Yes from Zimbabwe. I think there would be a revolution before something extreme like that happened though.

I just hope the Amero doesn't ruin the free market on PM's.

LETMYSILVERGO
9th September 2009, 01:49
Any One Got Change For A 20 Trillion An Amero-frn?

I Need 2 Tens For My Kids Lunch.

Argyria
9th September 2009, 02:12
In Zimbabwe, the Zimbabwe dollar is dead. The only 3 acceptable currencies now are the $US, the South African rand, and gold. I read where one woman said it required about 2 grams of gold per day to survive. She pans it out of a river to support herself and her family, and doesn't bother with her former career as a schoolteacher.

Katwoman
9th September 2009, 08:30
Ironically if the battle to replace the dollar as the reserve currency for the world fails it will mean that we will experience a slow inflationary downward spiral rather than rapid hyperinflation. Silver and gold will remain the best hedge against this but some foreign currencies could become very attractive too.

The US will experience increased personal savings, decreased tax revenues and increased budget deficits over the next 20 years as the baby boomers prepare for retirement.

To counter this trend federal and state governments need to cut taxes for small businesses and provide consumers with tax incentives to buy American made products (no more incentives like that stupid cash for clunkers program that served to boost Japan's economy s as much if not more than it did our own). If this is not done the dollar will die a slow painful death along with our entire economy.

But governments are never unable to see the solution being with letting people keep more of their hard earned money so they are likely to do the opposite and make it worse just as they have thus far.

If you are not sitting on a huge pile of gold and silver you will never be able to retire.

DaleFromCalgary
11th September 2009, 10:04
"I think there would be a revolution before something extreme like that happened though."

If a revolution hasn't happened yet, I don't think it will. Consider the events of the past year: oil over $100 and still in the $70 range, $3 trillion FRN suddenly injected into the system, the Panic of 2008, bold-faced theft of public funds by the Wall Street banksters, fraudulent short-selling and front-running by the same, and multi-million dollar renumeration to corporation executives. Yet there have been no riots, no million-man marches, nothing more serious than whining and complaining on the blogs.

There was no revolution in Zimbabwe, and there won't be any in North America or Europe.

maplesilverbug
11th September 2009, 10:13
Ah, but there WERE revolutions in Europe and around the globe!

I'll point out the obvious -- Iceland.

I think it's only in N.America where the people are so extremely apathetic as to do nothing when their government acts in such pathetic manners. We are fat, we are lazy -- in mind and body.

Society will have to approach an extremely severe state of disrepair before the people even think of revolting, peacefully and/or non-peacefully.

Katwoman
11th September 2009, 10:21
We are clearly in the process of redefining our economy. Every fiat currency has a finite life span. The dollar has enjoyed a good run since WWII the US to its credit funded by inflation of the fiat dollar has for the most part been a reasonable steward to the world. Hopefully we have earned enough good will to avoid a major war when the dollar goes by the wayside and the US can no longer fund its efforts to police the world.

The adjustment will be hard here at home too but Americans will get through it as we have every other depression, the civil war and the revolutionary war that led to the founding of this great nation. As Ronald Regan taught us the American spirit is alive and well it just needs a rallying cry from time to time.

Unlike the late President Regan, Obama is incapable of rallying the people around him simply because he does enjoy the support Regan had but more importantly because he does not connect well with the average Joe who according to him "clings to God and guns". This is as much to our own as it is to his detriment as he probably will not be reelected because of this. The next president will need to be someone who understands what it really means to be an American "citizen" and will certainly have no reservations about proving his citizenship in the name of keeping the peace and being seen as a legitimate leader who we can all trust.

After 9/11 we stood for a moment as one nation under God united in our sorrow and shock. But we quickly forgot the anger and hurt we felt that day which in turn led us to engage in a global game of cat and mouse with the international terrorists that challenged our temperament and resolve. Since then we have become a pathetic divided nation without a defined purpose who for a moment on cue from the MSM pretends to remember how we felt then. Such is the burden of those who enjoy too much comfort and have too much time on their hands.

Very soon this nation is going to have to make a choice as to whether it wants to lead or follow the rest of the world out of this economic down turn. The dollar will inevitably continue to collapse and the realities of this situation will become increasingly apparent until even the most financially challenged Keynesian economists will be able to see the forest for the trees.

For us to lead the way out of this mess will mean making serious decisions about our role in the world, our quality and purpose of our lives as well as how we spend our money and finance our future. If we do not embrace the opportunity to restore sound money by abandoning the USD as the reserve currency immediately, abolishing the fed and restoring some semblance of real value to our currency we as a nation are doomed to go the way of every other fallen empire. Unfortunately, nature does not take any prisoners and the natural fall from grace if allowed to occur will be deeper and more painful than anyone could ever imagined.

On the contrary simply announcing the intention to begin a return to sound money will have a profound impact on the markets and our sense of control over our future and most importantly our ability to rein in congressional spending. Add to this the rallying cry of now emerging voices of real leaders who respect the constitution and you have the recipe for a successful sustainable recovery.

If this does not occur before next June you can take it to the bank that our government has been hijacked by a bunch of inept despots hell bent on bringing down the nation in their own selfish pursuit of power. I fail to see how a peaceful resolution can be reached after recognition of such an outrageous observation.

Should this occur I can only wish you all Godspeed and to say God bless America :(

PlataTruth
11th September 2009, 11:16
Katwoman for President

ccjoe
11th September 2009, 11:55
Katwoman for President

Master Q as Kitty's VP:)

slvr
11th September 2009, 12:07
One reason things are difficult to change in America today is all the name calling. People are afraid to speak up due to this.

If you disagree with the president; you are a RACIST
If you are republican; you are a RADICAL LEFT WING CHRISTIAN
If you disagree with Illegal immigration; you are a HEARTLESS RACIST
If you believe in self reliance and less govt... you are ANTI-AMERICAN
If you accept God's word contrary to someones lifestyle; you're INTOLLERANT

If I dwell on these things it really discourages me. My motto, day after day is what God tells me as one of His children.

"we are not of this World". Meaning, this is not my home, just passing through. My home is where God rules everything. This age and place is run by Satan.. but that will end one day.

Not that I don't care or act, just the right perspective.

radiant111
11th September 2009, 17:48
From what I see a week of bare shelves and there will be a problem. People are waiting for the Government to infringe on them or give them a reason to make the changes. The groups I know have had it.

DaleFromCalgary
11th September 2009, 20:27
"From what I see a week of bare shelves and there will be a problem."

Perhaps so, but I don't see that happening now as the harvest season rolls along.

The sheeple are simply too complacent. Take advantage of them while you can. The Chinese government is.

silverheartbone
11th September 2009, 23:47
"I think there would be a revolution before something extreme like that happened though."

If a revolution hasn't happened yet, I don't think it will. Consider the events of the past year: oil over $100 and still in the $70 range, $3 trillion FRN suddenly injected into the system, the Panic of 2008, bold-faced theft of public funds by the Wall Street banksters, fraudulent short-selling and front-running by the same, and multi-million dollar renumeration to corporation executives. Yet there have been no riots, no million-man marches, nothing more serious than whining and complaining on the blogs.

There was no revolution in Zimbabwe, and there won't be any in North America or Europe.

You are correct.

No revolution.

Katwoman
12th September 2009, 06:36
I disagree. With each passing day there are more people in this country who understand how the federal government sold us out to the banks. And these people are getting very angry. This situation transcends traditional social and economic boundaries and unites us all in the common cause to restore sound money. No man, woman or child is immune to the financial contagion which is spreading through our society like wild fire. Unless we act quickly everyone will get burned.

Unlike the people of Zimbabwe we have, per our constitution, the right and duty to physically throw out the elected officials who got us into this mess and appoint new guards for our security.

We will have a strong sense by next spring and we will know for sure by next November where this ship of fools is heading and if it does not look good I think people will start to take action.

ccjoe
12th September 2009, 10:34
I disagree. With each passing day there are more people in this country who understand how the federal government sold us out to the banks. And these people are getting very angry. This situation transcends traditional social and economic boundaries and unites us all in the common cause to restore sound money. No man, woman or child is immune to the financial contagion which is spreading through our society like wild fire. Unless we act quickly everyone will get burned.

Unlike the people of Zimbabwe we have, per our constitution, the right and duty to physically throw out the elected officials who got us into this mess and appoint new guards for our security.

We will have a strong sense by next spring and we will know for sure by next November where this ship of fools is heading and if it does not look good I think people will start to take action.

Kitty-get your lifeboat of silver and we can all string our ag boats together as the good ship usa goes down. BETTER yet, let's get Barney Frank, Pelosi, and the idiots out next fall BEFORE we go down. Then our ag will be worth > 100 oz and we can rebuild this country.

JCM6395
12th September 2009, 10:40
Kitty-get your lifeboat of silver and we can all string our ag boats together as the good ship usa goes down. BETTER yet, let's get Barney Frank, Pelosi, and the idiots out next fall BEFORE we go down. Then our ag will be worth > 100 oz and we can rebuild this country.

Pelosi and Frank are in for life. I'm beginning to think the Founding Fathers were right in wanting only land holders to be elgible to vote.

ccjoe
12th September 2009, 11:06
Pelosi and Frank are in for life. I'm beginning to think the Founding Fathers were right in wanting only land holders to be elgible to vote.

JC--I live with the idiots here in Mass and must admit you're probably right so get the lifeboats of ag ready:)

maplesilverbug
12th September 2009, 12:05
Unlike the people of Zimbabwe we have, per our constitution, the right and duty to physically throw out the elected officials who got us into this mess and appoint new guards for our security....and if it does not look good I think people will start to take action.

I will bet my entire silver stack and...well, basically everything I own that the citizens of the United Stated of America will definitely NOT instate and utilize their Constitutional "right and duty".

The American government and corporations have created, over the last 100 years, a nation of weak, lazy, apathetic, uneducated, dependent, over-stimulated peoples.


My wager stands on these two points:

An American Revolution pt. 2 firing up by the end of 2010?
Not going to happen.

Silver at $100/oz by the end of 2010?
Not going to happen.


Any takers?

slvr
12th September 2009, 12:50
I will bet my entire silver stack and...well, basically everything I own that the citizens of the United Stated of America will definitely NOT instate and utilize their Constitutional "right and duty".

The American government and corporations have created, over the last 100 years, a nation of weak, lazy, apathetic, uneducated, dependent, over-stimulated peoples.


My wagers stand on these two points:

An American Revolution pt. 2 firing up by the end of 2010?
Not going to happen.

Silver at $100/oz by the end of 2010?
Not going to happen.


Any takers?
Correct. There are too many people drinking water and too few carrying it.

The majority has no savings (to lose), and want govt. hand outs.

It's the perfect storm for the Left to transform the USA into a socialist country - just the way the rest of the world wants us to be.

Katwoman
12th September 2009, 14:40
Pelosi and Frank are in for life. I'm beginning to think the Founding Fathers were right in wanting only land holders to be elgible to vote.


"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical....It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."-- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison (Jan. 30, 1787).

The tea parties are just the beginning of the revolution.....we are now just waiting for them to fire the first shot so can legitimately kick their f'ing butts out.

JCM6395
12th September 2009, 15:26
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical....It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."-- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison (Jan. 30, 1787).

The tea parties are just the beginning of the revolution.....we are now just waiting for them to fire the first shot so can legitimately kick their f'ing butts out.

I hope for all our sake that they wake up to common sense. They answer to us, not us to them. They don't seem to understand that anymore.

Katwoman
12th September 2009, 15:37
Maybe today's Tea Party on Capital Hill will help them to see what the future holds for them if they do not start listening to "we the people":p

I would also like to remind everyone reading this that it is not only our God given right but our duty to throw them off for any behavior designed to usurp the constitution even when such behavior is supposed to be for the common good and approved by the "majority" of the sheople.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Ntu7Aapys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VMXz6xGeqc

slvr
12th September 2009, 18:10
Maybe today's Tea Party on Capital Hill will help them to see what the future holds for them if they do not start listening to "we the people":p

I would also like to remind everyone reading this that it is not only our God given right but our duty to throw them off for any behavior designed to usurp the constitution even when such behavior is supposed to be for the common good and approved by the "majority" of the sheople.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Ntu7Aapys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VMXz6xGeqc
Can you imagine.. if someone were to write that these days? What would Pelosi and the rest label them?

MiloMorai
12th September 2009, 19:35
I hope for all our sake that they wake up to common sense. They answer to us, not us to them. They don't seem to understand that anymore.


The majority of them (Politicians, Business Honchos, Etc.)
do not answer to the people They answer to the NWO, if they don't
follow the line they know they will be dealt with one way or another
Humiliated, disgraced, fraudulantly jailed and if their a real threat eliminated.
This is your future do you dare to resist. For real.


P.S. If their are any
FBI, CIA, INS, ATF, NSC, ETC. informants reading this post don"t worry about me
I'm with you.
I'm just humoring these Right Wing Conspiricy Wacko's
Here's my Picture Identification :p

JCM6395
12th September 2009, 20:22
The majority of them (Politicians, Business Honchos, Etc.)
do not answer to the people They answer to the NWO, if they don't
follow the line they know they will be dealt with one way or another
Humiliated, disgraced, fraudulantly jailed and if their a real threat eliminated.
This is your future do you dare to resist. For real.


P.S. If their are any
FBI, CIA, INS, ATF, NSC, ETC. informants reading this post don"t worry about me
I'm with you.
I'm just humoring these Right Wing Conspiricy Wacko's
Here's my Picture Identification :p

If it gets to where we are spending $4 billion for a cold frosty mug of beer....**** will hit the fan big time!

Katwoman
12th September 2009, 23:08
The majority of them (Politicians, Business Honchos, Etc.)
do not answer to the people They answer to the NWO, if they don't
follow the line they know they will be dealt with one way or another
Humiliated, disgraced, fraudulantly jailed and if their a real threat eliminated.
This is your future do you dare to resist. For real.


P.S. If their are any
FBI, CIA, INS, ATF, NSC, ETC. informants reading this post don"t worry about me
I'm with you.
I'm just humoring these Right Wing Conspiricy Wacko's
Here's my Picture Identification :p

This is how I think most people who work for the FBI etc. really feel about the Federal Reserve:

http://vodpod.com/watch/1455617-wizard-of-oz-1-wicked-witch-melting

MiloMorai
12th September 2009, 23:22
This is how I think most people who work for the FBI etc. really feel about the Federal Reserve:

http://vodpod.com/watch/1455617-wizard-of-oz-1-wicked-witch-melting


You could only wish, if they did they would have done something along time ago. These people just follow orders. because like many they've seen the power of these creeps.:(

just my uneducated observation

We need Dorothy, Where's Dorothy :D

Katwoman
12th September 2009, 23:30
We need Dorothy, Where's Dorothy

Starring Nancy Pelosi as the Wicked Witch and Ron Paul the Tin Man, and Sarah Palin as Dorothy:lol:

MiloMorai
12th September 2009, 23:44
Starring Nancy Pelosi as the Wicked Witch and Ron Paul the Tin Man, and Sarah Palin as Dorothy:lol:

Instead of kat for president, How about Kat as Dorothy

Katwoman
12th September 2009, 23:57
Instead of kat for president, How about Kat as Dorothy

If I thought all I had to do to restore sound money was to throw a bucket a water on Nancy Pelosi I would leave for DC right now;)

silverheartbone
13th September 2009, 00:23
"Capital Hill"

Good one Katwoman.

Was it intentional?

Katwoman
13th September 2009, 08:35
Where else you gonna go to get the money to fund all the government run entitlement programs?

maplesilverbug
13th September 2009, 16:23
Caveat: this has nothing to do with silver...and is very confrontational.
(good thing I'm on ccjoe's 'Ignore' list -- this would definitely give him a coronary!)


Maybe today's Tea Party on Capital Hill will help them to see what the future holds for them if they do not start listening to "we the people"...

Probably not. What happened? What changed? Nada.
From the few reports I brought myself to read, a major force for stimulating the protests was the spending for the proposed Health Care bills etc. Huh?!?

Let's get this straight...the American McSheeple are protesting a 10-year $1.5 trillion (D-R averaged sum) spending "spree" by the government. Spending which will provide you with...HEALTH CARE?!? Again -- huh?!?

Let's examine another major US expenditure...oh, let's say the "War on Terror" Oooo! More specifically, the Iraq war:

"...the true costs are at least $3 trillion under what they call an ultraconservative estimate, and could surpass the cost of World War Two, which they put at $5 trillion after adjusting for inflation.

The direct costs exclude interest on the debt raised to fund the war, health care costs for veterans coming home, and replacing the destroyed hardware and degraded operational capacity caused by the war.

In addition, there are costs not accounted for in the budget such as rising oil prices and social and macroeconomic costs..." ~ Stiglitz and Bilmes

Sooo....your government spends TWICE the amount in LESS time on a WAR...and you the People get...what? Dead soldiers? High oil prices? Government contracts for big corporations? But yet there are no million-plus protests opposing this type of reckless spending of YOUR tax dollars you so vehemently clutch.

No, you don't protest the trillion dollar big bank and big corporation bailouts, you don't protest an illegitimate war...you protest, finally, about health care.

You McMericans are an odd bunch to say the least.

Remember when the terrorists said they wanted to destroy America? Well, thanks to a couple planes and a couple buildings (I won't go into the personnel list!), and your government's REaction...I would say they have done a fairly good job.


Next, a different set of numbers -- attendance (and speed of protest). I'll go anywhere from 100,000 to 1 million people at the D.C. rally. US population ~ 246 million (15+ years of age) = anywhere from 0.04% to 0.4% of your population shows up on your governments doorstep to protest its "crazy" spending of your tax dollars. Wow. Quite the show of solidarity! And how long did it take since all this sh!t started (I'll use Sept. '08 for ease of argument -- although we all know it was much earlier)? One year. Wow.

Let's go back and examine Iceland -- the f*cked country.
Protest size: 3,000-6,000 ~ 1-2% of the population (245,000 @ 15+ yrs.)
Protest date: Oct '08 -- one MONTH after the Sept. '08 collapse.
Result: resignation of the old government; new government instated within FOUR MONTHS of the protests.
Summation: a country one-tenth (1/10) the size of the USA can organize protests 5-25 times the size of those in the US, with 12 times the speed.

Let's see if the "big angry Americans" have the same power in their People.

If I was any government official I would be laughing at the McSheeple. Too slow, too small; too fat, too lazy. Would I be afraid? Not in the least.




I would also like to remind everyone reading this that it is not only our God given right...

Uh...I gotta say...you McMericans and your religion...just as scary as any other religiously fanatic group out there!



...but our duty to throw them off for any behavior designed to usurp the constitution...

Now you have it! Yes, YOU THE PEOPLE elected them -- YOU THE PEOPLE can dump them!



...even when such behavior is supposed to be for the common good and approved by the "majority" of the sheople.

Yeah, approved by the majority of the minority that actually votes? And who is to say those voters actually UNDERSTAND what/who they are voting for?! (p.s. -- health care really is for the common good of your society, believe it or not!)


Four months and counting...can you The People do it -- and for the right reasons?

Katwoman
13th September 2009, 17:33
Caveat: this has nothing to do with silver...and is very confrontational.
(good thing I'm on ccjoe's 'Ignore' list -- this would definitely give him a coronary!)



Probably not. What happened? What changed? Nada.
From the few reports I brought myself to read, a major force for stimulating the protests was the spending for the proposed Health Care bills etc. Huh?!?

Let's get this straight...the American McSheeple are protesting a 10-year $1.5 trillion (D-R averaged sum) spending "spree" by the government. Spending which will provide you with...HEALTH CARE?!? Again -- huh?!?

Let's examine another major US expenditure...oh, let's say the "War on Terror" Oooo! More specifically, the Iraq war:

"...the true costs are at least $3 trillion under what they call an ultraconservative estimate, and could surpass the cost of World War Two, which they put at $5 trillion after adjusting for inflation.

The direct costs exclude interest on the debt raised to fund the war, health care costs for veterans coming home, and replacing the destroyed hardware and degraded operational capacity caused by the war.

In addition, there are costs not accounted for in the budget such as rising oil prices and social and macroeconomic costs..." ~ Stiglitz and Bilmes

Sooo....your government spends TWICE the amount in LESS time on a WAR...and you the People get...what? Dead soldiers? High oil prices? Government contracts for big corporations? But yet there are no million-plus protests opposing this type of reckless spending of YOUR tax dollars you so vehemently clutch.

No, you don't protest the trillion dollar big bank and big corporation bailouts, you don't protest an illegitimate war...you protest, finally, about health care.

You McMericans are an odd bunch to say the least.

Remember when the terrorists said they wanted to destroy America? Well, thanks to a couple planes and a couple buildings (I won't go into the personnel list!), and your government's REaction...I would say they have done a fairly good job.


Next, a different set of numbers -- attendance (and speed of protest). I'll go anywhere from 100,000 to 1 million people at the D.C. rally. US population ~ 246 million (15+ years of age) = anywhere from 0.04% to 0.4% of your population shows up on your governments doorstep to protest its "crazy" spending of your tax dollars. Wow. Quite the show of solidarity! And how long did it take since all this sh!t started (I'll use Sept. '08 for ease of argument -- although we all know it was much earlier)? One year. Wow.

Let's go back and examine Iceland -- the f*cked country.
Protest size: 3,000-6,000 ~ 1-2% of the population (245,000 @ 15+ yrs.)
Protest date: Oct '08 -- one MONTH after the Sept. '08 collapse.
Result: resignation of the old government; new government instated within FOUR MONTHS of the protests.
Summation: a country one-tenth (1/10) the size of the USA can organize protests 5-25 times the size of those in the US, with 12 times the speed.

Let's see if the "big angry Americans" have the same power in their People.

If I was any government official I would be laughing at the McSheeple. Too slow, too small; too fat, too lazy. Would I be afraid? Not in the least.





Uh...I gotta say...you McMericans and your religion...just as scary as any other religiously fanatic group out there!




Now you have it! Yes, YOU THE PEOPLE elected them -- YOU THE PEOPLE can dump them!




Yeah, approved by the majority of the minority that actually votes? And who is to say those voters actually UNDERSTAND what/who they are voting for?! (p.s. -- health care really is for the common good of your society, believe it or not!)


Four months and counting...can you The People do it -- and for the right reasons?

Now I know why we chased the Tories to Canada!!!

I did not vote for any of the behavior that led us to where we are today. In fact, I voted for Kerry in 2004 to try to put an end to the madness before it got out of control. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary but he was shut up by the MSM. I write my congressmen constantly and get back crappy form letters. I speak truth to power at every opportunity I get only to have the responses I get from many of my countrymen as evidence of pure ignorance about how our system of government works.

The fact is that more socialized healthcare programs are not what we need. In fact, Medicare which is our "socialized healthcare system" which we got thanks to Johnson is what is now causing the problem because the truth is it is bankrupt due to poor management. This whole feel good BS story we are being fed is really about nursing along a failed public program not about providing health care for the uninsured.....because they're already covered by Medicare and Medicaid!!! All they are trying to do is use this as an excuse for power grab.

The USA is not a democracy. We are a Republic composed of 50 sovereign states. Each state has its own constitution. We democratically elect our Federal representatives to go to Washington to serve us. Importantly each of these reps takes an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the Republic of the USA that you know as just the good ole USA. This constitution was ratified and based on the constitutions of the original 13 colonies. If you have never done so you should read the constitutions of the other 50 states in the republic and pay special attention to second amendment in each of these.

Our declaration of independence, written by the founding fathers of this great nation, recognized and preserved in writing that human rights are just that "rights" that we are all endowed with by our creator who is subsequently defined within the same document as Natures God. These natural rights are not granted by men and cannot be taken away by men. These rights are fundamental to every human endeavor and inspire our every movement and give us purpose and the ability to serve ourselves and secure our personal safety.

The founding fathers expected government to grow and people to become complacent. In fact, they were so sure that the majority of people who at that time included many Tories who failed to oppose the British would eventually get themselves into trouble again that they added the bill of rights so that individual rights could not be voted away by a majority of fools. They included in that bill of rights the power of sword knowing and expecting that one day the people might need it to defend themselves from a large group of ignorant morons who chose to elect public officials who promised them handouts in exchange for liberty.

They also ensured the power of the purse via the constitution by insisting that only gold and silver be used as money. That law was usurped long before I was born my friend and is the reason for our mounting debt and the failed promises that lure in the lazy nitwits who will trade their liberty for temporary security.

Is Canada secure. Sure it is because the USA keeps it secure. Are Canadians free? I suppose that depends who you ask. Most people who think the right to keep and bear arms defines truly free men would say that Canadians living in a Constitutional Monarchy with limited access to firearms are not really free at all......and I would agree.

As for who decides the future of the Republic that will be me and my Republican countrymen.

That said, what was the real purpose of your "artful" post?

maplesilverbug
13th September 2009, 17:46
That said, what was the real purpose of your "artful" post?

The Modern American McSheeple: too slow, too small; too fat, too lazy; too unorganized, too fractured. Ergo, ineffective no matter how "impressive" the protest.

With that said, are Americans "free"?

Give a slave a long enough chain...

DaleFromCalgary
13th September 2009, 18:53
"Can you imagine.. if someone were to write that these days? What would Pelosi and the rest label them?"

I was trying to find the reference and couldn't but the stunt has been done where the Bill of Rights was typed up in the form of a petition and people on the street were asked to sign it. Almost everyone refused, and frequently the instigators were denounced as Commies or socialists.

If memory serves, Harry Golden (does anyone here remember him? I have most of his books.) wrote about this.

Katwoman
13th September 2009, 18:57
Obviously no one is entirely free but even given our problems I would not want to live anywhere else.

I do think you underestimate what is happening here. The type of protests you see happening have not happened here in over 250 years. There was a long train of abuses that led up to the revolutionary war and a similar smoldering rage was noted then too. Up until the shot heard around the world the people most of whom were sheople then too tried to come to a peaceful solution. But when this was met with overt efforts to disarm them they understood that they needed to draw a line in the sand. This is not something they did in jest or in haste but rather a last resort in response to the despotism imposed upon them by the British constitutional monarchy who saw its people as subjects.

Not too surprisingly FDR referred to the American people as subjects when he confiscated our gold. Does this surprise you?

A long insidious train of abuses can eventually be recognized as despotism. The establishment of the Federal Reserve and the IRS was the first. The confiscation of our gold in exchange for social security benefits was the second. The establishment of medicare and immediately taking us of the gold standard was the third. The bailouts of the banks, budget deficits and current attempt at shoving socialized heathcare down our throats is the fourth.

The intentions of these despots was not obvious in 1913 but is it obvious now and that is what is driving the protests. As more Americans wake up to the reality that their country is being systematically stolen from them by a banking cartel and a weak gutless corrupted congress you will see more and bigger protests.

As Katy Abram said to Arlen Specter "You have awakened a sleeping giant."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyT_M3aEJKc

maplesilverbug
13th September 2009, 19:03
As more Americans wake up to the reality that their country is being systematically stolen from them by a banking cartel and a weak gutless corrupted congress you will see more and bigger protests.

Only time will tell.

This discussion obviously belongs on a "Politics" forum, so I will leave well enough alone.


GO SILVER!

Katwoman
13th September 2009, 20:01
How can you say a discussion about the usurping of our constitution to take away our real silver and gold based money and replacing it with a fiat currency to fund government run entitlement programs does not belong on this forum when the entire topic of hyperinflation is the direct result of this behavior? We would not have hyperinflation but for the facts I delineated in my earlier posts! We would not even be talking about healthcare reform if it were not for inflation driving up healthcare costs and then eating up money that was taken into the medicare fund at pre-inflation rates!! Please tell me you do not have a problem seeing how fiat money creates the problems that more and bigger government then professes to be the solution to!! Even Alan Greenspan admitted to seeing this in his book the Age of Turbulence and if he can see through his big glasses surely anyone can.

You simply cannot have one without the other the "price" of silver is related to government behavior and the thereby induced responses of the people.

SeekrBrnEvryMin
13th September 2009, 20:43
I will bet my entire silver stack and...well, basically everything I own that the citizens of the United Stated of America will definitely NOT instate and utilize their Constitutional "right and duty".

The American government and corporations have created, over the last 100 years, a nation of weak, lazy, apathetic, uneducated, dependent, over-stimulated peoples.


My wager stands on these two points:

An American Revolution pt. 2 firing up by the end of 2010?
Not going to happen.

Silver at $100/oz by the end of 2010?
Not going to happen.


Any takers?

Kat, I've followed along after the fact, thankfully, and couldn't interject.

You've been a very wise, and unbelievably patient "teacher" throughout this thread.

The American government and corporations have created, over the last 100 years, a nation of weak, lazy, apathetic, uneducated, dependent, over-stimulated peoples.

Looking back at everything that's transpired since 1909, hell, even Canadians live like kings compared to their great-grandparents. No small part played in that by Les Ricans.

It took the US a long time to get where we are, and it will take some time to dig out. It's true that we're as fat as caged bunnies. But, nature abhors a vacuum, we know the good times can't last, and, when times get tough, we will get to work.

So, from one weak, lazy, apathetic, uneducated, dependent, over-stimulated person to another, I guess, THANK YOU for fielding this thread.

Because, if this were a classroom, and you were the teacher, one of your students would have been thrown out of the window without anyone taking the trouble to open it.

And the rest of the students would politely sit down to listen to the rest you had to say.

Cash2Riches
14th September 2009, 00:10
I've been doing all I can, to educate people about what is really happening in the marketplace, and the governments around the world, as of lately, more and more people are really starting to see the light. Sound money must return, hopefully the FED does get audited and are exposed for the crooks they really are.