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mick silver
26th February 2009, 20:20
Beijing, China -- Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED to me that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain) within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.

This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.

This is an unimaginable betrayal of every man, woman and child in the USA. An outrage worthy of violent overthrow.

I am endeavoring to obtain images or copies of the actual document but in the interim, several different sources both in the US and in China have CONFIRMED this to me.

More details as they become available. . . . . spread the word ASAP.

-------------- UPDATE 1:40 pm EST

Eminent Domain is the power of government to TAKE private property for public use without the consent of the property owner. Under our Constitution, the government can only "take" when providing "just compensation" for what they've taken.

Who decides what constitutes "just compensation?" The government!

Homeowners who felt the government was not paying them enough for property in past "takings" have filed lawsuits. In absolutely every such case, the value placed upon the property by the government was upheld by the courts.

Our federal government has now granted to China, this power to "take"our homes and businesses in the event the US Gov't defaults on its debts. Let's play this out as a worst case scenario. . . . . .

The US Gov't goes belly-up and China comes in and says, "they owed us $2 Trillion in Treasury Notes and another $2 Trillion in actual cash money which is now worthless. We are taking the entire state of Hawaii and the entire state of California in lieu of this bad debt. "

With the stroke of a Chinese chop stick, Hawaii and California -- all the land and buildings in those states -- are now owned by China.

The "taking" would be a "valid public use" because it was "taken" in payment of the public debt!!!!

China could then turn around and declare the value of all that land to be worth. . . . . I dunno, ten cents on a dollar?

For your $200,000 house, you get a Chinese check for $20,000.

Needless to say, the property owners would go ballistic and demand "just compensation" for what was taken. Who gets to decide what is "just?" China! Don't think you got a fair price for what they took? No problem, sue China.

You'll lose.

People who live in those states and own their land outright, might be able to negotiate with China to "rent" back their own property, as long as the property owner continued to pay all his taxes; but the land and buildings would belong to China!

This is what our own Government has just done to us and it is the single most vile act of betrayal in the history of human existence.

------------- SECOND UPDATE 3:48 PM

In early February nine U.S. States began the process of re-asserting their Sovereignty pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the US Constitution; declaring null and void any actions by Congress that violated the Constitution.

At the time, I wrote about those state efforts (Here (http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/something-big-is-happening-9-us-states.html)) and wondered why so many states were taking-up such an arcane issue in such a seemingly urgent fashion. I guess now, we know why.

The states were obviously privy to what the feds were planning to do with granting Eminent Domain to China. The states took action to make certain the feds couldn't give away cities or the states themselves!

This situation is going to get VERY ugly, VERY fast as one sovereign power (the feds) try to literally give away the land of other sovereign powers, (the states). This is the type of thing that starts Civil War.

Our present federal government makes the treachery and betrayal of Benedict Arnold look like child's play. http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/feds-grant-eminent-domain-as-collateral.html

genesis
26th February 2009, 20:30
The Obama circus just gets better and better. IS THIS A DREAM....SOMEONE PINCH ME PLEASE!!!!

mick silver
26th February 2009, 20:34
china well own your ass , change we can count on

mick silver
26th February 2009, 20:58
up up an awayyyyyyyy

silverheartbone
26th February 2009, 21:41
Great link mick silver.

If this is true, then the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is going down.
It just HAS to.

mick silver
26th February 2009, 21:51
but but we all well be slaves

averagejoe
26th February 2009, 22:00
This will undoubtedly lead to civil war and it may not be long in coming. This has got to be the dumbest fucking goverment on the face of the earth!!

mick silver
26th February 2009, 23:28
up up an awayyy

sunsetcliff
27th February 2009, 07:40
"compensation".

under the constitution legal money is gold and silver. So "just" would mean enough to replace the house to the homeowner.

Right?

Believe me- China wont want MY house. everything in it needs work.

sunsetcliff
27th February 2009, 07:43
Hal Turner tho- is a wind bag.

A cheerleader to incite a riot.

This is the dude who thought 'he could bankrupt JPM in 48 hours!!!

Mylläri
27th February 2009, 09:01
Beijing, China -- Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED to me...

I call BS at this point. When someone references "sources" but does not name them, they tend to give themselves carte blanche to say whatever they want based on nothing. Disinformation at best, and no one is protecting their "sources" under this caveat either. Something this important needs definative confirmation with named sources, not heresay :rolleyes:

Katwoman
27th February 2009, 09:21
Author:
Peter Beinart, Senior Fellow for U.S. Foreign Policy

February 23, 2009
The Daily Beast

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton each said something smart about the budget deficit last week. Let's hope Americans were listening.

While in Beijing, Clinton thanked the Chinese for buying our debt. At first glance, that wouldn't seem like a very big deal; US officials have been presumably thanking them behind closed doors for years. But Clinton did it publicly, which means that it wasn't just China's leaders who heard her, but average Americans as well. That's important because most Americans still don't think of China as our bank: the country whose willingness to purchase US Treasury bonds allows us to run up massive deficits without short-term pain. When people in Congress or on TV talk about US policy toward China, they often conveniently ignore that. They propose that we pressure China to improve its human-rights policy, or to get tougher on Iran, or to devalue its currency. What Clinton was telling Americans--in an indirect way--was that we can't pressure China to do squat. Yes, they need us: We're a big market for their goods and we're still a good place to invest. But they can find other places to invest more easily than we can find other investors. It's better to be a global creditor than a global borrower, as Americans knew back in the 1920s when our investments propped up the economies of World War I-ravaged Europe.

Mylläri
27th February 2009, 09:48
Kat, a nice piece but it has nothing to do with Chinese Eminent Domain in America nor does it provide any credibility towards what mick originally posted. Its a well known fact that China is one of America's top creditor nations.

What Clinton was telling Americans--in an indirect way--was that we can't pressure China to do squat.

Very sad and very true, one of our top bureacrats laying it out to the American people... it is more important for them to be able to spend as much money as they can get there hands on than to even consider giving a shit about human life and the conditions humans are forced to live in under an oppressive regime. SoS Clinton is a floozy, honest this time, but still a floozy :rolleyes:

mick silver
27th February 2009, 10:20
china well tell the usa how high to jump , if you think there giving us what we need for to keep us going for a few more month an they get nothing for it , it would be like you are me going to the bank they well hold the note on your home till the loan pay it

mick silver
1st March 2009, 21:06
bring back upppppppppp

My Pants Are Cold
1st March 2009, 21:44
Gotta call BS on this.

mick silver
1st March 2009, 21:47
Gotta call BS on this.
tell me why please

argentos
1st March 2009, 22:32
Even if 100% true, this is not a simple matter, is it?

If "eminent domain" in the USA works like "compulsory purchase" under English Law, the owner of the property has to be compensated at market value.

So, if this story is true the Chinese govt would have the right to take the property of the bond issuer, which property, according to Wikipedia, includes intangible property such as contract rights, patents, trade secrets and copyrights, in exchange for bonds and notes it holds.

Who would do the valuation?

Are the bonds and notes issued by the US government or the Federal Reserve?

mick silver
1st March 2009, 22:35
Author:
Peter Beinart, Senior Fellow for U.S. Foreign Policy

February 23, 2009
The Daily Beast

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton each said something smart about the budget deficit last week. Let's hope Americans were listening.

While in Beijing, Clinton thanked the Chinese for buying our debt. At first glance, that wouldn't seem like a very big deal; US officials have been presumably thanking them behind closed doors for years. But Clinton did it publicly, which means that it wasn't just China's leaders who heard her, but average Americans as well. That's important because most Americans still don't think of China as our bank: the country whose willingness to purchase US Treasury bonds allows us to run up massive deficits without short-term pain. When people in Congress or on TV talk about US policy toward China, they often conveniently ignore that. They propose that we pressure China to improve its human-rights policy, or to get tougher on Iran, or to devalue its currency. What Clinton was telling Americans--in an indirect way--was that we can't pressure China to do squat. Yes, they need us: We're a big market for their goods and we're still a good place to invest. But they can find other places to invest more easily than we can find other investors. It's better to be a global creditor than a global borrower, as Americans knew back in the 1920s when our investments propped up the economies of World War I-ravaged Europe.
thanks katwoman i also seen here talking on live tv an yes they would have the right to hold some thing of value to loan us money , just like a bank

mick silver
1st March 2009, 22:49
The time for partisan bickering just ended. This is as serious as a heart attack. Obama is going to spend so much money, which he intends to get from China via the sale of government backed bonds, that the Chinese apparently don't think he'll be able to make good on them.

So President Obama gave the Chinese eminent domain rights to American land and businesses as collateral - i.e. we don't pay, they now own America.
From Patriot Room (http://patriotroom.com/article/be-prepared-to-learn-chinese).
Because it looks like our wonderful new administration is granting the Chinese eminent domain as collateral for US debts. Yea you read that right. That means when we can no longer pay for all this massive spending the Chinese can call in the loans and take our land.
The thought that American citizens and businesses could lose their land as a means of payment is downright scary. I highly doubt ANY American citizen would have voted for Obama if they knew this was coming down the pike.
Live Leak (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1235673139) has more details.
Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED to me that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continu More.. (javascript://)ed purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves!

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.

This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.

Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.
This cannot stand. It is traitorous and Obama should be impeached.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2304-DC-Republican-Examiner~y2009m2d27-Impeachment-Time--Obama-Grants-Eminent-Domain-Rights-to-China-to-Secure-Debt

mick silver
1st March 2009, 22:58
http://www.patriotroom.com/article/be-prepared-to-learn-chinese : Robert McIntosh (http://www.patriotroom.com/member/robert) posted: 2009-02-27 16:14:00
Viewed 3745 times. 22 Comments (http://www.patriotroom.com/article/be-prepared-to-learn-chinese#comments).
http://www.patriotroom.com/images/upload/poster99069062_eminent_domain.jpg (http://www.patriotroom.com/images/upload/poster99069062_eminent_domain.jpg)
Because it looks like our wonderful new administration is granting the Chinese eminent domain as collateral for US debts. Yea you read that right. That means when we can no longer pay for all this massive spending the Chinese can call in the loans and take our land.
The thought that American citizens and businesses could lose their land as a means of payment is downright scary. I highly doubt ANY American citizen would have voted for Obama if they knew this was coming down the pike.

LiveLeak.com (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1235673139) has the story and appears to have confirmation from both governments.

The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.
This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.
Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.

What is amazing is that the administration would actually trust the chinese to not call in the debt. Seriously, if anybody in the chinese government get the bright idea that expansionism is a cool thing to do we are up shit creek.
Forget talking about socialism, we might end up half owned by communism before this is all over with. The irony is that China has discovered the beauty of capitalism in the last few years and yet our current government wants to get rid of it. What better way than to just hand it over?
How about that for some serious change you can count on? "Hope" you like losing your land to foreigners with the written authority of the U.S. government.
UPDATE: Seems the story originated here (http://www.halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/feds-grant-eminent-domain-as-collateral.html) which also mentions this Bloomberg story (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=a_dsDz145J_A) citing the chinese wanting guarantees on the debt. It also suggests that the states knew this was coming with the recent activity of 11 or so states declaring their sovereignty.
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argentos
1st March 2009, 23:01
I don't understand this at all.

How can the US government default on its debts to the Chinese? The Chinese government don't have to be paid in gold or silver do they? Surely the US can just print shedloads of fiat and send it to China?

Or have I missed summat yet again?

Katwoman
1st March 2009, 23:09
I have been hearing about this from other people too and not sure if it is true or not but if it is we will have a civil war soon. Or at least a tax revolution.