Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban

[mick silver]

Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban
Attorney General Says White House Also Looking at Ban on 'Cop-Killer' Bullets

By JASON RYAN
WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2009

SHARE The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.

Wednesday Attorney General Eric Holder said that the Obama administration will seek to reinstitute the assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 during the Bush administration.

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.

"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.

Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S.

A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.

"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.

"I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said.

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be."

In a brief interview with ABC News, Wayne LaPierre, president of the National Rifle Association, said, "I think there are a lot of Democrats on Capitol Hill cringing at Eric Holder's comments right now."

During his confirmation hearing, Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee about other gun control measures the Obama administration may consider.

"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder said, referring to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which asserted the Second Amendment as an individual's right to own a weapon.

The Assault Weapons Ban signed into law by President Clinton in 1994 banned 19 types of semi-automatic military-style guns and ammunition clips with more than 10 rounds.

"A semi-automatic is a quintessential self-defense firearm owned by American citizens in this country," LaPierre said. "I think it is clearly covered under Heller and it's clearly, I think, protected by the Constitution." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

[mick silver]

bring it back uppp an awayyyy

[mick silver]

bring it back uppppppppppppppp

[Trvlr45]

I knew this was coming. holder is going to turn out to be at least as bad a Reno was when it comes to violating the second ammendment.

[mick silver]

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[Katwoman]

I knew this guy would try this. I have written all of my congressmen and still they let him in. He assured us he would support the second amendment and now we see he a f-ing liar. But more importantly he has violated his oath of office.

Please please please write your congressional reps today and let them know that this is inexcusable. And that unless they want a repeat of what happened to dems during the Clinton years they will stay away from our guns.

[Ancona]

Since I bought my AR at a gun show in Florida, I'm the only one who knows I have it. Obama can go pound salt.

I'm reading more and more about unrest in the world, and fear we are on the brink. It's a slow burn from here, but when it reaches critical mass, there will be an explosion of unrest the likes and scale of which have never been seen before.

[mick silver]

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[Katwoman]

Since I bought my AR at a gun show in Florida, I'm the only one who knows I have it. Obama can go pound salt.

I'm reading more and more about unrest in the world, and fear we are on the brink. It's a slow burn from here, but when it reaches critical mass, there will be an explosion of unrest the likes and scale of which have never been seen before.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

These congressional scum bags now want to give DC a vote in congress. Not surprisingly this passed the senate before it passed the house. These people who are supposed to represent us have usurped the constitution from every conceivable angle and the sheep refuse to believe that this is just another piece in the puzzle of transforming these Unites States into a single socialist or worse communist country.

[SilverJim]

Well, I am very new to gun ownership. So new that I just brought home my first gun today. Mr. Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm. What a cool gun! Getting instruction and have a range closeby for practice. Should a goblin pay me a visit, he will be cordially invited to assume room temperature.

[VX1]

Well, I am very new to gun ownership. So new that I just brought home my first gun today. Mr. Beretta PX4 Storm 9mm. What a cool gun! Getting instruction and have a range closeby for practice. Should a goblin pay me a visit, he will be cordially invited to assume room temperature.Nice gun. You know she's gonna need an older brother to keep her company too... look at the CX4 Storm, it's a carbine rifle that'll not only take the same ammo, but the same clips as your PX4 (just be mindful that you can get the CX4 in many calibers AND many clip types; my 9mm takes the Beretta 92 clips... oh how I wish they'd accept Glock magazines).

[DuaneLuk]

I am 60 years old and figure it was time for me to go out an buy a gun. I purchased a Ruger 10/22 and a 1000 rounds of 22 longs. It came with a clip but I understand there are clips that hold a lot more than the one that came with it. I would like to pick up about 20 clips and have them ready for action. Anyone have a vendor that might help me out. Thanks.

[Katwoman]

I decided that since the only segment of the economy that Obama seems adroit at stimulating is the firearms industry that I should make an investment so I picked up one of these:

The way I see it is if the SHTF I am covered and if Holder and Obama work to ban them I can always sell at a profit:

[TheLoneRanger]

You guys really need to keep up to date with what is going on in washington

as of now there will not be a new AWB and nobody is trying to pass one.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/reid-joins-pelosi-in-opposing-weapons-ban-revival-2009-02-26.html

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ok02_boren/2009_02_26_assault_weapons.html

for those of you that recently bought weapons and aren't familiar with the shooting sports or firearms safety you can use this web page to locate a NRA safety course near you.

http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp

Please take a safety course for your own, and everybody arround you's safety.

[TheLoneRanger]

For those of you that plan on using a pistol for self defense.. once you have taken the basic and more advanced NRA pistol courses, you might be interested in

http://www.idpa.com/


For a small annual fee and of course bring your own weapon , ammo, and appropiate holster you can learn and practice live fire combat and self defense drills in a safe and controled enviroment.

At least locate the nearest group and attend and watch what they do... it's quite a show.. and I garantee the best local pistol experts will be there.

[Katwoman]

You guys really need to keep up to date with what is going on in washington

as of now there will not be a new AWB and nobody is trying to pass one.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/reid-joins-pelosi-in-opposing-weapons-ban-revival-2009-02-26.html

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ok02_boren/2009_02_26_assault_weapons.html

for those of you that recently bought weapons and aren't familiar with the shooting sports or firearms safety you can use this web page to locate a NRA safety course near you.

http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp

Please take a safety course for your own, and everybody arround you's safety.

Obviously you are making assumptions about me and others here without knowing anything about whom you speak. I am a life member of the NRA and an active hunter. I spoke the with NRA representative at the local gun show where I made my recent purchase about this exact issue and he felt Obama might not try to do this only because he would not want it to hurt his chance of getting re-elected. But I do not trust the NRA and since Obama has made it public knowledge that he would like to make the assault weapon ban permanent and Eric Holder has reiterated this position I for one believe they will try something. Make no mistake about it the Democrats would love nothing more than to ban this type of firearm and I for one do not want to wait until the eleventh hour only to find out that you were wrong and it impossible to obtain a modern high capacity firearm suitable for all my sporting and self defense needs.

[fullsafe]

You guys really need to keep up to date with what is going on in washington

as of now there will not be a new AWB and nobody is trying to pass one.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/reid-joins-pelosi-in-opposing-weapons-ban-revival-2009-02-26.html

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ok02_boren/2009_02_26_assault_weapons.html

for those of you that recently bought weapons and aren't familiar with the shooting sports or firearms safety you can use this web page to locate a NRA safety course near you.

http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp

Please take a safety course for your own, and everybody arround you's safety.
I'm more concerned with legislation that will bring about the requirement of hand gun owners insurance similar to auto insurance.

[TheLoneRanger]

I make no assumptions about anyone.. several folks on this thread mentioned they had bought their first weapon.... I see firsties at every gun show I set up at lately.. I too belong to several Pro RKBA organizations inculding NRA and Pink Pistols and have an 03FFL Myself, my spouse my 2 adult kids and the married ones spouse all have CCW and I compete IDPA.. and yes we hunt too. I have several EBR's inculding Cetme, Fal, M1a, AR's of several types inculding AR-10's and a HBAR, and some Romanians as well as the C&R's.
I reload for 17 different calibers and cast my own bullets.

I have trained newbies for over 15 years.. recenty mostly thru Pink Pistols.. I know folks often buy a weapon and after a couple years in the closet, forget what caliber it is. Every gun show I get folks looking for "SKS ammo" and want to buy a tin of 7.62x54r because it says 7.62... I know just as there are no evil guns.. there are no good guns that protect you automagically from the dresser drawer, like a magic amulet.

Folks need training and to be proficent they need constant practice and structured training.. Firearms are a martial art as much as taekwondo. And proficency only comes thru training and regular practice.

Stress affects response.. if you have a weapon that you plan on using for self defense you need to be realistically prepared for both the moment of confrontation and the aftermath as well as your legal responsibilites before during and after the confrontation. As well as being trained and proficent with your weapon

For info on your local laws go here

http://www.usacarry.com/

For some idea of what you might have to endure mentally in an armed confrontation read this http://www.killology.com/ read all of it.

And yes Katwoman "eternal vigilance is the price of freedom" they may very well try at some later date.. but it is not time to panic.. it is time to become proficent.

[Katwoman]

I have noticed many more people purchasing firearms lately too but for you to assume that they are not getting trained is myopic. With 90K applications for CW permits recently filed for in FL alone with each one of these requiring at least some basic firearms training your assumptions do not follow fact when you say that people are purchasing firearms but not getting any training.

[TheLoneRanger]

I'm more concerned with legislation that will bring about the requirement of hand gun owners insurance similar to auto insurance.


The best insurance for any handgunowner is to contact your local Bar Association and ask for a referal to a lawyer that specializes in armed self defense. Many such lawyers conduct seminars of self defense law and the best of such lawyers will not take on anybody as a client that has not completed their seminar.. they range in cost from about $150.00 to $300.00 and last anywhere from 3 to 5 hours. You get everything you need to fully understand your rights and obligations and how to conduct yourself for the maximum chance for an aquital should you have to act in self defense.

Understand this one thing... if you use a weapon, any weapon, in self defense your actions will be second guessed by law enforcement.. your judgement will be tested, first by a DA who may or may not choose to fiile charges, who may or may not bring a Grand Jury and the Grand Jury may or may not bring a True Bill which could lead to a jury trial to vindicate or not your judgement in using lethal force.

A good book to read on this process is http://www.amazon.com/Ayoob-Files-Book-Massad-F/dp/0936279168/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236641043&sr=1-3 also check out other books by the author as well as his web page and articles here http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/ayoob_article.htm

[TheLoneRanger]

I have noticed many more people purchasing firearms lately too but for you to assume that they are not getting trained is myopic. With 90K applications for CW permits recently filed for in FL alone with each one of these requiring at least some basic firearms training your assumptions do not follow fact when you say that people are purchasing firearms but not getting any training.

Katwoman.. do you object to me posting this information for those that may not be getting any training or have not applied for a CCW permit?

[Katwoman]

Katwoman.. do you object to me posting this information for those that may not be getting any training or have not applied for a CCW permit?

Absolutely not just that you should phrase your responses with the recognition that many of those posting here are also seasoned gun owners and accomplished tack drivers too.

[Katwoman]

The best insurance for any handgunowner is to contact your local Bar Association and ask for a referal to a lawyer that specializes in armed self defense. Many such lawyers conduct seminars of self defense law and the best of such lawyers will not take on anybody as a client that has not completed their seminar.. they range in cost from about $150.00 to $300.00 and last anywhere from 3 to 5 hours. You get everything you need to fully understand your rights and obligations and how to conduct yourself for the maximum chance for an aquital should you have to act in self defense.

Understand this one thing... if you use a weapon, any weapon, in self defense your actions will be second guessed by law enforcement.. your judgement will be tested, first by a DA who may or may not choose to fiile charges, who may or may not bring a Grand Jury and the Grand Jury may or may not bring a True Bill which could lead to a jury trial to vindicate or not your judgement in using lethal force.

A good book to read on this process is http://www.amazon.com/Ayoob-Files-Book-Massad-F/dp/0936279168/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236641043&sr=1-3 also check out other books by the author as well as his web page and articles here http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/ayoob_article.htm


As a member of the NRA you too may have received the the video on home defense they send out. It does a fine job of reiterating on the important steps to take when confronting an intruder in your home during dynamic critical situation. Starting with avoiding a confrontation if at all possible by leaving the dwelling to calling 911 and announcing in a loud clear voice to the intruder that you have a firearm and are prepared to use it to defend yourself if you feel threatened. To many gun owners this second scenario sounds counter intuitive but in reality most bad guys do not want you to shoot them and will avoid you once they believe you are armed and having the 911 operator on the phone will document your actions should you have to shoot in self defense. And do not forget to tell the operator what you are wearing!!

[Katwoman]

You guys really need to keep up to date with what is going on in washington

as of now there will not be a new AWB and nobody is trying to pass one.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/reid-joins-pelosi-in-opposing-weapons-ban-revival-2009-02-26.html

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ok02_boren/2009_02_26_assault_weapons.html

for those of you that recently bought weapons and aren't familiar with the shooting sports or firearms safety you can use this web page to locate a NRA safety course near you.

http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp

Please take a safety course for your own, and everybody arround you's safety.

BTW I continue to get emails from the GOP telling me that the Dems still want my guns so I am not buying anything Nancy Pellosi says..

[My Pants Are Cold]

for those of you that recently bought weapons and aren't familiar with the shooting sports or firearms safety you can use this web page to locate a NRA safety course near you.

http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp

Please take a safety course for your own, and everybody arround you's safety.

Absolutely not just that you should phrase your responses with the recognition that many of those posting here are also seasoned gun owners and accomplished tack drivers too.




Hmmmm .

[TheLoneRanger]

Don't go there please.. lets just keep the good info coming :)

[fullsafe]

The best insurance for any handgunowner is to contact your local Bar Association and ask for a referal to a lawyer that specializes in armed self defense. Many such lawyers conduct seminars of self defense law and the best of such lawyers will not take on anybody as a client that has not completed their seminar.. they range in cost from about $150.00 to $300.00 and last anywhere from 3 to 5 hours. You get everything you need to fully understand your rights and obligations and how to conduct yourself for the maximum chance for an aquital should you have to act in self defense.

Understand this one thing... if you use a weapon, any weapon, in self defense your actions will be second guessed by law enforcement.. your judgement will be tested, first by a DA who may or may not choose to fiile charges, who may or may not bring a Grand Jury and the Grand Jury may or may not bring a True Bill which could lead to a jury trial to vindicate or not your judgement in using lethal force.

A good book to read on this process is http://www.amazon.com/Ayoob-Files-Book-Massad-F/dp/0936279168/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1236641043&sr=1-3 also check out other books by the author as well as his web page and articles here http://www.personaldefensesolutions.net/ayoob_article.htm
The last thing I'm interested in is GETTING insurance.


If you would read the the post , I''m concerned about legislative actiion which would REQUIRE insurance, as in mandatory with regisration and conditions of ownership. A perfect ploy to make another inroad into 2nd ammendment rights.

[TheLoneRanger]

The last thing I'm interested in is GETTING insurance.


If you would read the the post , I''m concerned about legislative actiion which would REQUIRE insurance, as in mandatory with regisration and conditions of ownership. A perfect ploy to make another inroad into 2nd ammendment rights.


I get that, and the "insurance" I'm talking about is not the kind of insurance that can be required, or that you are worried about. It's having an attorney specialized in self defense to make sure you don't go to jail if you are forced into a self defense situation, and for you to have a through understand of the law in your juristiction. That understanding not only protects you after the fact, but also, by freeing your mind from the doubts and concerns that can and do crop up in that last split second makes your response faster, surer, and more certain. Being able to focus on the threat and not having to waste mental energy and focus pushing out doubts can be the time edge between life and death.

IMHO regular ol' homeowners should cover the liability issue thing as a matter of course, and anybody found to be acting legally in self-defense should be indemnified aganist subsequent civil action.

So perhaps to be clear , I could have phrased it along the lines of "the best insurance isn't insurance" to make my meaning more clear.

[TheLoneRanger]

As a member of the NRA you too may have received the the video on home defense they send out. It does a fine job of reiterating on the important steps to take when confronting an intruder in your home during dynamic critical situation. Starting with avoiding a confrontation if at all possible by leaving the dwelling to calling 911 and announcing in a loud clear voice to the intruder that you have a firearm and are prepared to use it to defend yourself if you feel threatened. To many gun owners this second scenario sounds counter intuitive but in reality most bad guys do not want you to shoot them and will avoid you once they believe you are armed and having the 911 operator on the phone will document your actions should you have to shoot in self defense. And do not forget to tell the operator what you are wearing!!

oops almost missed this one... nope haven't seen it... perhaps it was only structured legally for certain states... wouldn't mind finding a copy though just incase it has applicable info.... not sure about the 911 phone in one hand and the full retreat with the weapon in the other... That does not apply in my state.. I have no obligation to retreat from my own house.. all that is required here is a reasonable aprehension of a threat to life or limb of self or others. And I have no obligation to warn, if you are inside my house and have something that could be used as a weapon I have conciderable leeway, can't ambush or backshoot or gundown a retreating criminal...but I do not have to retreat from any threat. Some states mandate the retreat and other restrictions, I think such conditions unfairly handicap the law abiding homeowner.