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chux03
21st February 2009, 18:19
Oh, let me count the ways!! Not....I'm telling nobody what to do. I'm only offering possibilities....

How about this? Here's a great article explaining the possibilities for BIG profits in investing in QUALITY producing mining stocks. And if anyone is of like mind and wants to post more good articles by authors who know what they're talking about in recommending quality miners, go ahead and post away.
Personally, I like the leverage mining shares offer and I like them as another aspect of DIVERSIFICATION to my PM portfolio. And I like the newsletter authors themselves, most of whom are of the free market, Libertarian point of view, much like ourselves here. Read on.

This is from Adam Hamilton of ZEAL with the link at the end.

Gold Stock Surge

Adam Hamilton February 20, 2009

Earlier this week, the US stock markets (S&P 500) fell 4.6% to their lowest close since November 20th’s panic low. It was a very unpleasant day as latent fears of bungled government meddling flared up again. But one sector, the gold stocks, was able to buck this very weak tape. That very day the HUI gold-stock index rallied 2.6%.

This action was actually a microcosm of what we’ve seen since the stock panic’s lows. At its very best in early January, the S&P 500 (SPX) was up 24.2% from its panic lows. That certainly wasn’t bad, but since then those gains have been pared to 4.8%. The stock markets aren’t plunging anymore, but they certainly aren’t recovering very enthusiastically either.

Meanwhile, gold stocks as measured by the HUI were up 76.0% in early January over the very same 30-trading-day span where the SPX saw its greatest post-panic gains to date! And provocatively, back in early January gold was only trading in the $860s so the growing gold excitement we’ve seen this week was not a factor behind gold stocks’ initial outsized post-panic gains.

At best from its own panic lows (as of this week), the HUI has soared 113.8% since late October! For investors and speculators looking for sectors that are thriving in this challenging time, gold stocks are it. The financial media’s oft-expressed lament that nothing is doing well in these markets is simply untrue. Gold stocks have already rallied strongly and odds are the majority of their surge is still yet to come.

It may seem odd to be very bullish on a sector that has already more than doubled in less than 4 months, but gold stocks are not your typical sector. Gold stocks have one major driver, the price of gold. In long-term fundamental terms, the gold price determines their profits and hence their ultimate stock prices. In near-term sentimental terms, the daily gold action drives traders’ desire to add capital to this tiny sector.

And as you know if you’ve seen any CNBC lately, the strong gold surge over the last week or so is a big deal. Even mainstreamers are getting interested as the psychological milestone of $1000 again looms large. With gold soaring $89, or 9.9%, in just 6 trading days, traders are naturally getting a lot more interested in the gold stocks that leverage this metal.

Long ignored by all but a few contrarians despite their epic 1331% bull run between November 2000 and March 2008, the gold stocks are still a tiny sector. At the end of January the total market capitalization of all the stocks of the HUI was a trivial $123b. Meanwhile the S&P 500’s was running at $7785b, 63x larger even at today’s depressed stock-market levels. So if even a small fraction of mainstreamers decide they want some gold-stock exposure, this sector will fly.

But interestingly, the bullish case for gold stocks goes far beyond the new interest $1k gold is generating. Like most sectors, gold stocks were sold off far too aggressively in the midst of the stock panic. They have yet to even reflect the low-$700s gold seen in the panic, let alone today’s much higher gold prices. If they simply mean-revert to their years-old historical relationship with gold, they will rally mightily.

Two charts will make this case crystal-clear. The first simply shows the price of gold (red) and the HUI gold-stock index level (blue) over the past year. Both vertical axes are zeroed so raw percentage changes are easier to compare visually. While gold really held up pretty well during the stock panic, gold-stock traders did not. They let their intense fears cloud their logic and judgment leading them to sell like mad.

Last summer the HUI was drifting lower in a typical modest downtrend often seen during the summer doldrums. But in late July, the HUI plunged below support. This was when the GSEs, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, were imploding which greatly exacerbated the credit crunch. Owners of the ubiquitous GSE debt, which is backed by American residential mortgages, started dumping their bonds and parking capital in vastly safer US Treasuries.

Of course foreigners first had to buy US dollars before they could buy Treasuries, so the US dollar surged in one of its strongest rallies ever witnessed. This led to a sharp $127 (13.9%) gold plunge in the first half of August. Not surprisingly the gold stocks, which are driven by gold, plummeted in sympathy. The chain of events from this bond panic ignited by the GSE implosion kicked off the HUI’s brutal 67.7% plunge.

With gold weak, gold-stock traders’ psychology was already shaken before the stock panic. And gold actually recovered by mid-September, blasting $160 (21.5%) higher in just 7 trading days. The HUI rallied sharply on gold’s strength, hitting 354 in late September. It probably would have continued rallying from there, but then the psychological maelstrom of the Great Stock Panic of 2008 slammed into the markets. Gold stocks did not escape.

A panic is a bubble in fear, investors and speculators rush to sell anything and everything in order to raise cash fast. In just 5 weeks, gold-stock traders sold so aggressively that they drove the HUI 57.2% lower! The HUI has never seen anything like this before and probably won’t again in our lifetimes, since true stock panics are once-in-a-century types of events. This was catastrophic for gold-stock sentiment.

But the great irony of all this is gold only fell 18.9% over that 5-week stock-panic span. Throughout history, even during stock bears, the gold stocks tend to follow gold on balance, not the stock markets. Sure, extreme fear in general stocks can temporarily spill into gold stocks from time to time. But strategically they always ultimately march to the beat of the gold drummer. Since gold governs their future profits and current psychology, it rules them with an iron fist. So this huge disconnect was very strange.

Even if gold had done nothing since, even if it had lingered in the low $700s, it was crystal clear during the panic that gold stocks were radically oversold. We were buying aggressively in late October and early November, as the best time to go long is when everyone else is terrified so the bargains are the greatest. A pair of new gold-stock and silver-stock investments I recommended to our newsletter subscribers near those panic depths were already up 69.2% and 105.8% as of this week.

I was buying when everyone else was selling because the longstanding relationship between gold stocks and the price of gold was all out of whack. In the 5 years before the stock panic, the HUI/Gold Ratio (HGR) had usually traded in a tight range between 0.46x and 0.56x. It averaged 0.511x over this secular time frame. In other words, the HUI index generally traded around half the price of gold. You can see a long-term chart of this HGR relationship in an essay I wrote just after the stock panic.

This narrower span over the past year offers higher resolution on the HGR developments during the stock panic. When the HGR is rising, it means the HUI is outperforming gold. Conversely when the HGR is falling, it means gold is outperforming the HUI. Often in this latter case, as the blue HGR line below shows, gold’s outperformance means gold is simply not falling as fast as the HUI in a correction.

Read the rest here:

www.zealllc.com/2009/huisurge.htm

Ancona
22nd February 2009, 10:04
Chux,
How is Silver Wheaton looking this month?

Are the Chineese going to be permitted to use some of their spending spree buying up U.S. domiciled miners? If so, what does this do to our soveriegnty?

Think about it for a minute, if we allow foriegn nations to open mines in the rockies, mine the metal and expatriate it, then we will have given away our resources.

chux03
22nd February 2009, 12:08
"Are the Chinese going to be permitted to use some of their spending spree buying up U.S. domiciled miners? If so, what does this do to our sovereignty?"

What's good for the goose, SHOULD be good for the gander. If we can go over there and buy Chinese miners, which we can, why shouldn't they be able to come over here and do the same thing? There are many companies working on mining projects in China headquartered out of Canada. Even if the Chinese were miffed at some company and gave them the boot, there isn't another miner operating out of Canada (or probably anywhere else except China) that would touch such a project. You can see that in the Aurellian Resource deposit they found (and lost) in Ecuador in which Kinross bought em out BEFORE doing anything. And now they're probably in there...negotiating, trying to get that thing back into miner's hands. Hey it's what? 14 million ounces in that deposit?? I'd be talking too!!

"Think about it for a minute, if we allow foreign nations to open mines in the rockies, mine the metal and expatriate it, then we will have given away our resources."

That's not right....I thought we sold it?? How would they just "come in here" unless the mining company they bought does the actual mining and owed them the actual....debt? Maybe the fed's could give them a chunk of Federal land somewhere with some minerals in the ground as some sort of repayment or something FAR OUT like that. But they're not going to just come in here and start taking things. And for more reasons than we've discussed here. Think about that....

Silver Wheaton (imho) is a buy right now and unless lightning strikes between now and tomorrow morning, I'm buying some more. I thought I was buying Friday but my wire transfer went to the wrong brokerage account and that didn't get straightened out till too late Friday afternoon. I did manage to buy a few more shares of Minefinders (MFN) on Friday morning and that has proven to be a bright spot in my portfolio, going up almost 30% since buying in on January 21. I'd dump the rest of those funds in there too but I don't want to be...overweighted on just one stock, so I'll buy more SLW. I signed up for a free PM newsletter the other day and I forget who this guy was but they screwed up (according to an apologetic email to his paying subscribers the following day) and sent everyone who did sign up a free peek at his portfolio by sending the password and login info to do so. It was an interesting portfolio made up of some speculative juniors and producers too, many who had a find under their belt. But his number 1 and number 2 pick in his "personal model portfolio" was......SLW and MFN :D I'm NOT kidding either!! Of course, I'm not smart enough to come up with these two strictly on my own, I had help too through a couple of NL's I subscribe to. But it's surely another confirmation about the excellent prospects of these two companies, I thought. Oh and he did seem almost giddy on the company and said he thought that the chance of SLW going OVER $100 per share at the end of this bull market was EXCELLENT. I'll put it to you like this....if you think silver is going to continue the run, then load the boat with SLW shares but if you think there could be a.....time out, then maybe buy on a dip. When I looked at my own SLW average share price right now, any purchase I make at under $8 averages me down. So guess what I'm doing in the morning?? :)

Anyway, you better buy some of that Bravo stock too that I talk about in that other thread here. Their newly updated NI43-101 is due out ANYTIME though they've stated that they'd like that out and released by the PDAC coming up on the first weekend in March in Toronto. My thinking there has been roughly the same....if you think gold and silver are going to continue their run AND if you think all of those BONANZA GRADE drill results will reflect in an increase of their resource estimate there at Homestake Ridge, the time to buy some is growing short.

Good luck!!

chux03
23rd February 2009, 11:02
You know something? That in all the years I've been "collecting" silver coins, bullion, etc and that's over 40 years and I have extensive physical silver holdings. In all that time, MY PHYSICAL HOLDINGS HAVE NEVER PAID OR MADE ME A DIME UNLESS.....


I sold some. And I've done plenty of that over the years. I was looking at a paper that showed my last sale, last year was for over $17 per ounce, and trust me when I say that I've NEVER lost money either selling physical. Nor am I close to running out. That I buy off and on replenishes the stash and keeps things....fresh.

On the other hand, since getting into PM stocks a few years ago, I HAVE made some $$ there as that's what that account's for. I've mentioned the value of newsletter subscriptions in helping make wise investment choices and probably another important thing is....PATIENCE.

Anyway, the point here?? That first paragraph APPLIES TO EVERYONE. NOBODY MAKES MONEY HOLDING PHYSICAL METAL until you sell it. If you want to make money in PM's and you DON'T want to sell your physical, you're going to have to consider jumping in to these PM stocks. And if you're thinking about that, then do yourself a BIG favor (unless you know all about them already) and subscribe to one of the many outstanding newsletters specializing in PM's that are out there. PM shares gives one leverage (in a good way) on the price of silver or gold and like physical gold in your portfolio, shares of quality mining stocks insure your portfolio the same way your physical does.

Think about that....that in all those years and by holding all those ounces of silver in my safe, ALL that physical has NEVER made me a dime....until I sold it.

Robertson Mike
1st March 2009, 10:15
Good post and it really helps the readers and investors who are thinking of investing in Gold people are so confused because of the falling economy so we are looking for something like this where we can get an idea about investing.

Irishfan1
2nd March 2009, 13:21
SLW went under $6 I bought some more. Its gonna go thru the roof, just a matter of time.

fullsafe
2nd March 2009, 16:56
You know something? That in all the years I've been "collecting" silver coins, bullion, etc and that's over 40 years and I have extensive physical silver holdings. In all that time, MY PHYSICAL HOLDINGS HAVE NEVER PAID OR MADE ME A DIME UNLESS.....


I sold some. And I've done plenty of that over the years. I was looking at a paper that showed my last sale, last year was for over $17 per ounce, and trust me when I say that I've NEVER lost money either selling physical. Nor am I close to running out. That I buy off and on replenishes the stash and keeps things....fresh.

On the other hand, since getting into PM stocks a few years ago, I HAVE made some $$ there as that's what that account's for. I've mentioned the value of newsletter subscriptions in helping make wise investment choices and probably another important thing is....PATIENCE.

Anyway, the point here?? That first paragraph APPLIES TO EVERYONE. NOBODY MAKES MONEY HOLDING PHYSICAL METAL until you sell it. If you want to make money in PM's and you DON'T want to sell your physical, you're going to have to consider jumping in to these PM stocks. And if you're thinking about that, then do yourself a BIG favor (unless you know all about them already) and subscribe to one of the many outstanding newsletters specializing in PM's that are out there. PM shares gives one leverage (in a good way) on the price of silver or gold and like physical gold in your portfolio, shares of quality mining stocks insure your portfolio the same way your physical does.

Think about that....that in all those years and by holding all those ounces of silver in my safe, ALL that physical has NEVER made me a dime....until I sold it.
It did however preserve your wealth in that period of time so it could be sold for a profit.

I agree with you entirely about PM stocks since they have been taken out and beaten severely to discourage a flight to them just as with the physical stuff. The inevitable rise in value of the underlying assets has to make lots of stocks explode when demand starts forcing it to be recognized by the market. I've made some coin the lazy way through buying simple PM mutual funds in the past and the same will occur again. The move will be quick and explosive and I would only risk "venture " capital on it.

I put 10k in some a month or so ago and even with the dropping Dow they've held up well , primarily because they are all so far down they've fallen off everyone's radar.

The scariest thing about the mining companies is being able to correctly evaluate them and I'm no stock analyst. The simple fact that PM's have risen dramatically while oil and the energy they need for extraction has dropped , makes the possibility of really good !st quarter earnings more than just a possibilty.

chux03
3rd March 2009, 01:29
Oh yes, the value of good, accurate newsletter. I swear, I would have NEVER just jumped in on something like this PM investing! While I had heard of others investing in mining stocks, I heard of even fewer that seemed to make any money and even though I was young and an avid risk taker, none of my money would have gone here. But after reading a couple of newsletters for a few months and checking some of these....opportunities out personally, I finally could see that with a little luck, hard work and and some guidance provided by some of the better known NL authors, that one probably could make some money investing in mining shares.
The point being here is that getting a good newsletter subscription IS CRITICAL to learning the ropes and being successful. Just don't let the price scare you away as some of them can be expensive. To say you get what you pay for would be correct but to say that your first good pay off will more than pay for your subscription can help put things in perspective....too. There are several good NL's out there. But do yourself a favor. A BIG favor. Treat yourself to one of the many PM focused NL's that are out there. Almost all of them have a published track record of some type. I have read Doug Casey, Zeal Investments, David Morgan, Howard Ruff and several others over at www.321gold.com and there's a couple who I've read about right here at SilverSeek too and GoldSeek. But if you've read any of these guys and you like their style, give em a try!! Most offer a money back trial period/subscription and I'll tell you that IF you're really interested in such things, some of these NL's are VERY INTERESTING and INFORMATIVE. I find myself looking forward every time to the next issue too.
Good luck!!!!

mick silver
3rd March 2009, 01:33
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