Baby Boomer problem

[admthrwn]

I realize how screwed we are with the baby boomers and social security... but driving around today I realized another problem. All of these people are getting old at the same time.. the percentage of old people on the road is going to be UNBEARABLE! Its bad enough as it is and its only going to get worse. I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle it. Everyone on the road is going somewhere, but no one is driving like they have somewhere to be. :mad:

Im making a bumper sticker: If everyone is losing their job, why am I sitting in traffic?????

[research24]

Everyone on the road is going somewhere, but no one is driving like they have somewhere to be. :mad:

It's called recreational driving and its been around a while. Like since Henry Ford and the Model T.

[admthrwn]

It's called recreational driving and its been around a while. Like since Henry Ford and the Model T.

Well that whole idea needs to end. Thats crazyness. recreational driving? well I'd never....

[ROBFOS]

!*%#!?!#&!

[skijake]

I realize how screwed we are with the baby boomers and social security... but driving around today I realized another problem. All of these people are getting old at the same time.. the percentage of old people on the road is going to be UNBEARABLE! Its bad enough as it is and its only going to get worse. I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle it. Everyone on the road is going somewhere, but no one is driving like they have somewhere to be. :mad:

Im making a bumper sticker: If everyone is losing their job, why am I sitting in traffic?????

Remember Logan's Run where when you turned 30 you went to be Re-energized {Killed/Suicide}?
Maybe the Government will enact some form of Tax Deduction for those willing to kick the bucket prematurley.
The younger Generations are going to be pretty pissed off and turning in Grandpa for a tax rebate may be a viable option.:p
Note to self: Remove all weapons from Grandpas house!

[research24]

Remember Logan's Run where when you turned 30 you went to be Re-energized {Killed/Suicide}?
Maybe the Government will enact some form of Tax Deduction for those willing to kick the bucket prematurley.
The younger Generations are going to be pretty pissed off and turning in Grandpa for a tax rebate may be a viable option.:p
Note to self: Remove all weapons from Grandpas house!

Fuck you very much.

[skijake]

Fuck you very much.

You know if they made a movie about it , a contingency plan is already in place at the highest level. 2 Stages,
Voluntary Compliance, and
Not so Voluntary Compliance!
Shit, Someone's at the door.

[sunsetcliff]

..I know some 20 year olds think they are agile, slick. I further understand the world is messed up. The RIAA has turned them against the "establishment".

I do think the 20 year olds have some skills that can help the country.

at the same time- no one should get smug in terms of the elders. the elders have wisdom. that might not mean much to the youth....but my message to both age groups: youns have alot more to gain by working together then by working apart.

as to driver skills... poor drivers are everywhere.

[Mr. Jingles]

Fuck you very much.

I second that. You need to get a clue. This generation grew up with morals, values,good work ethics,respect and just plain common sense. Younger generations are a big part of the problem with this country today.

[averagejoe]

I agree with researcher and Jingles the youngewr generation could stand to learn some respect and manners. Being a baby boomer myself I find these comments insulting and lacking respect of those who paved the way for you to be where you are!!

[admthrwn]

I agree with researcher and Jingles the youngewr generation could stand to learn some respect and manners. Being a baby boomer myself I find these comments insulting and lacking respect of those who paved the way for you to be where you are!!

Thats fine. Just stay to the right. :D

[averagejoe]

I prefer to drive down the middle get a kick outa seeing you young guy's implode!! HA! Just kidding!

[admthrwn]

I prefer to drive down the middle get a kick outa seeing you young guy's implode!! HA! Just kidding!

Well its WORKING!!!!!!!!!! :)

[LETMYSILVERGO]

We Only Have Ourselves To Blame, We Should Have Outlawed Rap Music,
Like We Did Disco " Staying Aliiiiiiiiive"

[research24]

I was joking. If I'm not mistaken, boomers, of which I am one, are a major part of our problems. It is my fucked up generation that bore the next, yet near as I can tell, the latest seem better than the prior two.

But how do we reconcile that the so-called "greatest generation" is the one that produced the most screwed up? Answer: They really weren't all that great.

[skijake]

Age is a state of mind. My Dad is 72 and looks and acts like a man 15 years younger.
Respect your elders! This is a biblical phrase meaning, Respect and honor your parents and also Church Elders. It does not mean Respect Old People.
Respect and admiration is earned. I personally have a couple younger friends I respect very much and some older people that I know whom I wouldn't jump start their car in a snow storm because of my disrespect for.
I have found in my almost 30 years in Business and other life experiences that those who can laugh with others and at themselves are a happier, young at heart group. People who blame others all the time for their problems and hard feelings are to be avoided as much as possible.
As far as young people having no respect, well where and whom did they learn that fine trait from?
Laugh at yourself, It's OK!

[research24]

Good points, Ski.

[skijake]

I was joking. If I'm not mistaken, boomers, of which I am one, are a major part of our problems. It is my fucked up generation that bore the next, yet near as I can tell, the latest seem better than the prior two.

But how do we reconcile that the so-called "greatest generation" is the one that produced the most screwed up? Answer: They really weren't all that great.

I figured you were but people are so touchy with the economy and all.
Americans have been respected for years for their hard work and individuality.
I hope we make that happen again in time.

[Katwoman]

It is ironic that most of the more productive individuals in the world never choose to retire while the least productive feel entitled to. Many of the most productive people I have known needed to be carried out of the office in box. While the average janitor at the statehouse feels he is entitled to retire after 25 years of service at age 55 and go to collect a tax payer funded pension until he dies at 90. This mentality is nuts!!!

[research24]

I figured you were but people are so touchy with the economy and all.
Americans have been respected for years for their hard work and individuality.
I hope we make that happen again in time.

Did you read Doug Casey's recent piece "Foundations of Crisis" about generational cycles? I vaguely understood something about this but he presents some interesting history. Find it at Financial Sense http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/casey/2009/0113.html

[Ardent Listener]

Slow down, relax, what's your hurry?

O.k., here is my rant. People who don't care if you or even they live or die on the freeway just so they can get home 15 minutes early to watch television.

[sunsetcliff]

I agree with researcher and Jingles the youngewr generation could stand to learn some respect and manners. Being a baby boomer myself I find these comments insulting and lacking respect of those who paved the way for you to be where you are!!

I dont see the young people as lacking respect. I see boomers who failed to stop the country from wrecking itself.

(we) trashed the place and left the mess for the younger folks.

[Ardent Listener]

I dont see the young people as lacking respect. I see boomers who failed to stop the country from wrecking itself.

(we) trashed the place and left the mess for the younger folks.

Hey, we didn't light the fire. It was already burning (Vietnam, cold war, toxic waste, Federal Reserve) long before our watch. We just didn't finish what we started off to do in the 60s. I don't think that neither will this next generation until they have too. Nothing changes until the pain of not changing is greater than the pain of changing.

[MikeJ]

The baby boomer generation had everything handed to them on a silver platter. They basically have lived off prosperity that the The Greatest Generation gave to them. Baby boomers only care about themselves in general, same fuckers that gotta buy Starbucks everyday, gotta buy a new car all the time, gotta have the latest electronics in their house, etc. And they have basically spread that mentality to their children, which I'm sad to say is my generation.

[Ardent Listener]

The baby boomer generation had everything handed to them on a silver platter. They basically have lived off prosperity that the The Greatest Generation gave to them. Baby boomers only care about themselves in general, same fuckers that gotta buy Starbucks everyday, gotta buy a new car all the time, gotta have the latest electronics in their house, etc. And they have basically spread that mentality to their children, which I'm sad to say is my generation.

Gee, I look around and see the younger generation doing and having those things. Maybe the boomers do too and I don't get out enough. I think it's a big deal to have a Trac phone and that's when I remember to carry it. I go for days without one at a time much less use it.

[MikeJ]

Gee, I look around and see the younger generation doing and having those things. Maybe the boomers do too and I don't get out enough. I think it's a big deal to have a Trac phone and that's when I remember to carry it. I go for days without one at a time much less use it.

Well its pretty much both generations. I try to be more like my grandparents. I'm content with the stuff I have, my parents are the ones always buying and upgrading shit.

[Katwoman]

The baby boomer generation had everything handed to them on a silver platter. They basically have lived off prosperity that the The Greatest Generation gave to them. Baby boomers only care about themselves in general, same fuckers that gotta buy Starbucks everyday, gotta buy a new car all the time, gotta have the latest electronics in their house, etc. And they have basically spread that mentality to their children, which I'm sad to say is my generation.

Hey owning nice things is cool as long as you can afford them. I would not go so far as to blame them for how they are lord knows they had lots of bad influences to help them get that way. First and foremost they grew up with government entitlement programs, and access to easy money via credit thanks to a fiat currency. Now the chickens are finally coming home to roost and they will not be able to retire because many of them just lost half of their life savings. Most of them are old hippies who are still registered liberals and not surprisingly since they do not even know how to use fishing rod or a gun to hunt for their dinner they voted for Obama to reinflate the bubble with the expectation that they will suddenly be smart enough to get out at the next peak. And as for the tax debt associated with the stick it to us package, they will just pass that on to their kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids kids!!

[Katwoman]

Hey, we didn't light the fire. It was already burning (Vietnam, cold war, toxic waste, Federal Reserve) long before our watch. We just didn't finish what we started off to do in the 60s. I don't think that neither will this next generation until they have too. Nothing changes until the pain of not changing is greater than the pain of changing.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Dear Prudence,

The time has come for me to once again cast you aside in favor of a New Guard. Sorry it had to end this way. Its been nice but it has not been real nice. Best wishes.

Yours truly,

Lady Liberty

[akak]

Every generation alive today in the USA, and even those no longer alive, have their share of the blame. What sickened and disgusted me was when MONEY became the end-all and be-all of every part of life, and the measure by which all aspects of life became measured. I know people who to this day cannot understand why I chose to live in Alaska, when I could have made so much more MONEY elsewhere; the fact that I hated that kind of life never seems to cross their mind.

[admthrwn]

Every generation alive today in the USA, and even those no longer alive, have their share of the blame. What sickened and disgusted me was when MONEY became the end-all and be-all of every part of life, and the measure by which all aspects of life became measured. I know people who to this day cannot understand why I chose to live in Alaska, when I could have made so much more MONEY elsewhere; the fact that I hated that kind of life never seems to cross their mind.

I wish I had the guts to just pack it up and move up there. Ive never been, it looks beautiful... but the cold.... it's bad enough in Chicago.

[fredrock]

What are my thoughts about our society? Who should we blame? Let me give you a taste of what America has become. The following events happened between the hours of 12:00 and 3:00 am Friday while I was at work.

1. Responded to a SWAT raid where a person was injured. The home was in a residential neighborhood owned by an elderly white couple who appeared to be about 65 years old. The home owners were arrested along with 9 others, mostly young kids, which included both blacks and whites between the ages of 18-25

2. Responded to a bar where a 22 year old white female had a miscarriage into the toilet and then later flushed the fetus down the drain. When I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she flushed the toilet, she said yes, and could do as she pleased and that it was no ones business what she did.

3. Responded to the home of a 22 year old black female who was 6 months pregnant and had had flu symptoms for 12 hours. Her expectation was that I and another firefighter would carry her out of her house on a stretcher to the medic because she didn’t feel like walking. She walked. Later I learned that this was her eighth pregnancy. She only had 3 children though, as she had chosen to abort 4 of the pregnancies. She was on public assistance as well.

This 3 hour window into my world is, with the exception of the second related event, unfortunately an all too common occurrence. Young, old, black, and white, we have become a nation full of selfish and helpless people.

So, I agree with Akak, there is plenty of blame to go around, but I prefer to place the blame on the individual people for the choices they make.

We all know plenty of old and young people who are doing the right things. It has nothing to do with when you were born, but rather how you wish to live your life in my opinion.

Fred

[sunsetcliff]

we will never get any resolve so long as we blame 'someone else.

to act like the younger have squandered it all is pathetic. we also were young and careless.

the difference is we have had more time to become the example. more time and more resources.

I am alarmed at this thread. The bitterness in it.

yes- the boomers were left a raw deal.... but that doesnt excuse anyone from being the problem.

instead of condemning the youth- get to know them, menter them.

the only way society excels is when the youth are coached and nurtured. not disposed of.

like many areas of life- the monster is not outside the window, it is in the mirror.

[Katwoman]

I wish I had the guts to just pack it up and move up there. Ive never been, it looks beautiful... but the cold.... it's bad enough in Chicago.

Chicago guns laws alone would be enough for me to move to another state.:confused:

[Ancona]

At 45, I am at the tail end of the baby boom. When I grew up, there were two distinct paths to choose in life. One path involved growing long hair, getting your ear pierced and taking drugs; turn on and drop out.

The second path, the one I chose, involved hard work, and more hard work. I find that the kids I knew in school who chose the former, are either dead, in prison or living on the margins of society.

I have acheived a station in life where I hire, manage and fire these very people on a daily basis. Many of them are disgruntled and bitter; blaming those at my station for their lot in life. Living paycheck to paycheck, they still find the money for that bag of weed and the next case of beer.

I find that the lack of respect for others is endemic and subsumes their being. They offer a facade of respect when we are present, and talk amongst themselves about how we cheated and lied our way to the top.

When TSHTF, these are the people we will have to protect ourselves and family from.

[Katwoman]

When TSHTF, these are the people we will have to protect ourselves and family from.

Spot on Ancona. The scary thing is due to their nature and past life experiences these people are also very capable of not only drug abuse but violence and theft. We are about to see a huge up tick in crime in this country like we have never seen before. The Mexican drug cartels are setting up shop and drug abuse and dealing is about to increase something fierce among the members of this crowd who have lost their jobs. If you do not own a firearm get one now and learn how to use it. Police cannot be everywhere in normal times and as crime increases they will be overwhelmed.

[sunsetcliff]

there is abit of the revolving jail deal here in my rural valley.

nearly every adult- has had a scrape with the law. it is almost a right of passage.

they will throw a man in jail is is late on child support.

they do it frequently.

they started charging them room and board.

The guy I had doing my porch, it was almost predictable- what a girlfriend would do and he would do.

many men "want" to be bad boys.

and a good amount of woman "want" bad boys.

factor in the job availability and cost of rents- and it cant be anything but.

this guy was working to jobs doing his AA meetings, getting ready for the week and his probation officer thought he should be near a phone. it was silly.

I dont have the answer. I dont know.


I do know that this type can pull someone down.

Just last week a 21 year old killed someone in a car crash- while she was huffing.

being there is so many messed up people- I keep to myelf. I dont want to know. I dont want "in".

its sorta funny. the guys in county jail complain about conditions. thinking the public will pity them. HA!!!!!
we dont. we think- thank god there is a jail...or you would be on my doorstep.

so- yes- looser people exist.

[DannyBoy]

I second that. You need to get a clue. This generation grew up with morals, values,good work ethics,respect and just plain common sense. Younger generations are a big part of the problem with this country today.

You know, elders have been complaining about the youngsters since Ancient Greece. I believe it was Pathagoris who griped about his students not taking their studies seriously.

I call BS on your claim that your generation had better morals and ethics than today's generation. Total BS. In every generation (since we separated from our Orangatang cousins), there have been degenerate losers and perverts, as well as good upright people. It has nothing to do with a period of time. It has everything to do with the normal distribution of people along the continuum of behavior.

[Mr. Jingles]

You know, elders have been complaining about the youngsters since Ancient Greece. I believe it was Pathagoris who griped about his students not taking their studies seriously.

I call BS on your claim that your generation had better morals and ethics than today's generation. Total BS. In every generation (since we separated from our Orangatang cousins), there have been degenerate losers and perverts, as well as good upright people. It has nothing to do with a period of time. It has everything to do with the normal distribution of people along the continuum of behavior.

After reading some of the posts here it would seem I may have let my mouth outrun my brain just a bit. You as well as some others on here are correct. We are all a product of our environment and lucky for me I grew up in small town Pa. by great parents who also learned from thier parents. I too have some buddies that grew up to be a burdon on society and never ammounted to much while other people I know chose the right path and made useful contributions. I have been in a management position with my company for the last 8 years and have hired and fired more employees than I care to. I see young people who like myself are ready to start at the bottom and work thier way up and also some people who want to go to the top but don't want to pay dues as I did. I guess that first post just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and I apologise for pickin on the youngsters. Life is a trip enjoy the ride.

[Ardent Listener]

After reading some of the posts here it would seem I may have let my mouth outrun my brain just a bit. You as well as some others on here are correct. We are all a product of our environment and lucky for me I grew up in small town Pa. by great parents who also learned from thier parents. I too have some buddies that grew up to be a burdon on society and never ammounted to much while other people I know chose the right path and made useful contributions. I have been in a management position with my company for the last 8 years and have hired and fired more employees than I care to. I see young people who like myself are ready to start at the bottom and work thier way up and also some people who want to go to the top but don't want to pay dues as I did. I guess that first post just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and I apologise for pickin on the youngsters. Life is a trip enjoy the ride.

I like it that the younger generation is starting to get pissed-off again. It's the best sign of hope that I have seen in about 35 years. They just need to focus more on what's really important and not on what's just a pain in the @ss.

[skijake]

Did you read Doug Casey's recent piece "Foundations of Crisis" about generational cycles? I vaguely understood something about this but he presents some interesting history. Find it at Financial Sense http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/casey/2009/0113.html
I had not ever read a piece that broke down generations in such a concise manner. Leave it to Casey to make sense of it. A solid read,Thanks.

After reading some of the posts here it would seem I may have let my mouth outrun my brain just a bit. You as well as some others on here are correct. We are all a product of our environment and lucky for me I grew up in small town Pa. by great parents who also learned from thier parents. I too have some buddies that grew up to be a burdon on society and never ammounted to much while other people I know chose the right path and made useful contributions. I have been in a management position with my company for the last 8 years and have hired and fired more employees than I care to. I see young people who like myself are ready to start at the bottom and work thier way up and also some people who want to go to the top but don't want to pay dues as I did. I guess that first post just kind of rubbed me the wrong way and I apologise for pickin on the youngsters. Life is a trip enjoy the ride.

Solid!:cool:

[Argentum]

And yet more proof that everyone is blaming everyone else....

We are all the measure of our results.

[hiyosilver]

Perhaps one mistake we made was sparing the rod.....

[junksilver]

What are my thoughts about our society? Who should we blame? Let me give you a taste of what America has become. The following events happened between the hours of 12:00 and 3:00 am Friday while I was at work.

1. Responded to a SWAT raid where a person was injured. The home was in a residential neighborhood owned by an elderly white couple who appeared to be about 65 years old. The home owners were arrested along with 9 others, mostly young kids, which included both blacks and whites between the ages of 18-25

2. Responded to a bar where a 22 year old white female had a miscarriage into the toilet and then later flushed the fetus down the drain. When I asked her if she knew what she was doing when she flushed the toilet, she said yes, and could do as she pleased and that it was no ones business what she did.

3. Responded to the home of a 22 year old black female who was 6 months pregnant and had had flu symptoms for 12 hours. Her expectation was that I and another firefighter would carry her out of her house on a stretcher to the medic because she didn’t feel like walking. She walked. Later I learned that this was her eighth pregnancy. She only had 3 children though, as she had chosen to abort 4 of the pregnancies. She was on public assistance as well.

This 3 hour window into my world is, with the exception of the second related event, unfortunately an all too common occurrence. Young, old, black, and white, we have become a nation full of selfish and helpless people.

So, I agree with Akak, there is plenty of blame to go around, but I prefer to place the blame on the individual people for the choices they make.

We all know plenty of old and young people who are doing the right things. It has nothing to do with when you were born, but rather how you wish to live your life in my opinion.

Fred


You sound like either a medic or a firefighter, of which I am the former. I can see your point, as I run across this often....biggest problem is those that don't want to learn a language and then wonder why we have a hard time caring for them(for free). "cuantos bebes?" I asked the patient, when all 10 fingers went up I could have screamed hauling her out of that double wide on a stair chair........yet society is enabling this behavior

[Tribal Warrior]

Perhaps one mistake we made was sparing the rod.....

Sparing the rod or bullet(s)? you be the judge