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aequitas
21st June 2011, 00:53
http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page32?oid=129739&sn=Detail

I'm guessing Pandas will turn out to be a good investment.

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 01:45
I'm guessing Pandas will turn out to be a good investment.

How so?

Scarcity, aka premium driver, is no longer an issue.
The supply just quadrupled, from 1.5 million in 2010 to now 6 million.

aequitas
21st June 2011, 02:29
As the series grows in popularity the rarer dates and varieties gain in value. Quit being such a contrarian, lol.

aequitas
21st June 2011, 02:32
I'm gonna have to start calling you negative nancy. Obviously Pandas that are more than a few years old have gained a significant premium. Try buying one anywhere near spot.

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 08:35
I'm gonna have to start calling you negative nancy. Obviously Pandas that are more than a few years old have gained a significant premium. Try buying one anywhere near spot.

No thanks.
I buy silver for silver.
The inflated premium of Pandas is completely based upon emotion and perception -- something for which I do not wish to pay.

Quo_Vadis
21st June 2011, 12:08
Sometimes, betting on Human Emotions, as in How they will react to a given Stimulus, CAN be just about the safest bet of them ALL..................People being People. Stick your arm in a Tigers Cage and it WILL bite it off. People are just another Animal Species............Certain Reactions are GUARENTEED!!

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 17:59
Sometimes, betting on Human Emotions, as in How they will react to a given Stimulus, CAN be just about the safest bet of them ALL..................People being People. Stick your arm in a Tigers Cage and it WILL bite it off. People are just another Animal Species............Certain Reactions are GUARENTEED!!

That is true, generally, not always specifically.
As for collectables, certain reaction are NOT always guaranteed.

Take the Pet Rock or the Cabbage Patch Dolls as examples -- endless supply, but manic consumerist behaviour...until it died.

Or the comic book craze of the '80's -- endless supply of "Limited Issue" comic titles that garnered immediate secondary market hyper-premiums...until people stopped buying.

Some things are painfully obvious, such as the looming riot in Vancouver as soon as the team made the finals (obvious to everyone but city officials). What items people are going to find "valuable" is a much harder game to master. I'll just stick with the buying/selling things people NEED, instead of what they fancy.

:)

aequitas
21st June 2011, 18:13
Maybe those are just stupid analogies, childrens toys vs. government minted silver coins.

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 18:44
Maybe those are just stupid analogies, childrens toys vs. government minted silver coins.

Or perhaps stupid people don't understand "collectables".

How much is the US "Government minted silver coin" selling for?
Or the Canadian government minted silver coin?
Or the Mexican government minted silver coin?
Or the Australian government minted silver coin?

Now...what is the Chinese government minted silver coin selling for?

Let's see...APMEX...arbitrary year...2005:

US -- $43.05
CN -- $43.05
MX -- $48.56
AUS -- $50.58

CHINA -- $125

They are ALL ONE OUNCE of SILVER.
Have fun paying more than double -- for nothing extra!

'Tis true: a fool and his money are soon parted.

aequitas
21st June 2011, 18:56
I wouldnt buy them from apmex, and you still haven't convinced me that I was stupid to buy pandas and sell them for 2 or 3 times what I paid. They are collectable get over it, and the mintages of the pandas is much lower than all the other coins and cannot be directly compared to coins that have mintages that are many multiples higher.

So just STFU.

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 18:57
so just stfu.

l o l ! ! !

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 19:02
...the mintages of the pandas is much lower than all the other coins and cannot be directly compared to coins that have mintages that are many multiples higher.

2004

Britannica: 100,000 minted; $110.00
Aussie Kook: 300,000 minted; $51.00
Panda: 600,000 minted; $130.00
Maple: 681,000 minted; $43.00

Hmmm...well, there goes THAT theory!!! L O L !!!

Gotta love the suckers out there! LOL!!!

maplesilverbug
21st June 2011, 21:53
Maybe those are just stupid...government minted silver coins.

True.

Besides the painfully obvious hole in any supply/demand "collectability" theory anyone may have...if the Pandas are in fact legal tender YUAN, then they have absolutely ZERO value anywhere outside of China -- except for the SILVER CONTENT...which is EXACTLY the same as any other 1 ounce hunk of silver.

Want a pretty picture and a pretty story to go along with it? Gonna have to pay! LOL!

Geez...those Chinese can sell mcmericans ANYTHING!!!

1for1
21st June 2011, 23:09
Pandas are rubbish, assuming you didn't buy one of the plethora of fake/ forgeries out there, actually like the design and the support your giving to a centrally run suppressive govt. The high mintage's and future backlashes againest china from the chinese within china and out.

Yes the ugly pandas are heavily overpriced and reliant on an increasing secondary market demand... id say there are many better silver buys out there.

Youd need a pocket guide on any date to know if it was real or not... only experts in pandas are safe to buy them...

I know pandas have popularity but ill invest in a safer form of bullion that hasnt got the flavour of the month hype and go for low mintage perth mint lunars and kooks, kangaroos, fiji takus etc which are world famous and highly collectable for just $5 over spot

1for1

aequitas
22nd June 2011, 00:14
Maple Leaf 2009 ..........................
Maple Leaf 2008 ..........................
Maple Leaf 2007 .......................... 3,526,052
Maple Leaf 2006 .......................... 2,464,727
Maple Leaf 2005 .......................... 955,694
Maple Leaf 2004 .......................... 680,925
Maple Leaf 2003 .......................... 684,750
Maple Leaf 2002 .......................... 576,196
Maple Leaf 2001 .......................... 398,563
Maple Leaf 2000 .......................... 403,652.......(Fireworks single date)
Maple Leaf 1999-2000 ................ 298,775.......(Fireworks dual date)
Maple Leaf 1999 .......................... 1,229,442
Maple Leaf 1998 .......................... 591,359
Maple Leaf 1997 .......................... 100,970
Maple Leaf 1996 .......................... 250,445
Maple Leaf 1995 .......................... 326,244
Maple Leaf 1994 .......................... 889,946
Maple Leaf 1993 .......................... 1,133,900
Maple Leaf 1992 .......................... 343,800
Maple Leaf 1991 .......................... 644,300
Maple Leaf 1990 .......................... 1,708,800
Maple Leaf 1989 .......................... 3,332,200
Maple Leaf 1988 .......................... 1,062,000

Panda 2010 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2009 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2008 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2007 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2006 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2005 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2004 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2003 .......................... 600,000
Panda 2002 .......................... 500,000
Panda 2001 .......................... 250,000 D mark
Panda 2000 .......................... 600,000
Panda 1999 .......................... 600,000
Panda 1998 .......................... 100,000
Panda 1997 .......................... 600,000
Panda 1996 .......................... 100,000
Panda 1995 .......................... 168,000
Panda 1994 .......................... 100,000
Panda 1993 .......................... 120,000
Panda 1992 .......................... 100,000
Panda 1991 .......................... 100,000
Panda 1990 .......................... 200,000
Panda 1989 .......................... 225,000
Panda 1988 .......................... 0
Panda 1987 .......................... 31,000
Panda 1986 .......................... 0

Eagle 2011 .......................... TBD
Eagle 2010 .......................... 34,662,500
Eagle 2009 .......................... 28,766,500
Eagle 2008 .......................... 20,583,000
Eagle 2007 .......................... 9,028,036
Eagle 2006 .......................... 10,676,522
Eagle 2005 .......................... 8,891,025
Eagle 2004 .......................... 8,882,754
Eagle 2003 .......................... 8,495,008
Eagle 2002 .......................... 10,539,026
Eagle 2001 .......................... 9,001,711
Eagle 2000 .......................... 9,239,132
Eagle 1999 .......................... 7,408,640
Eagle 1998 .......................... 4,847,549
Eagle 1997 .......................... 4,295,004
Eagle 1996 .......................... 3,603,386
Eagle 1995 .......................... 4,672,051
Eagle 1994 .......................... 4,227,319
Eagle 1993 .......................... 6,763,762
Eagle 1992 .......................... 5,540,068
Eagle 1991 .......................... 7,191,066
Eagle 1990 .......................... 5,840,210
Eagle 1989 .......................... 5,203,327
Eagle 1988 .......................... 5,004,646
Eagle 1987 .......................... 11,442,335
Eagle 1986 .......................... 5,393,005

aequitas
22nd June 2011, 00:20
Numbers speak, Maple lies.

ccjoe
22nd June 2011, 04:03
I wouldnt buy them from apmex, and you still haven't convinced me that I was stupid to buy pandas and sell them for 2 or 3 times what I paid. They are collectable get over it, and the mintages of the pandas is much lower than all the other coins and cannot be directly compared to coins that have mintages that are many multiples higher.

So just STFU.
I agree and have 80% of all my silver in pandas.
I continue to take profits and more than make back my premiums.
Facts are facts and billions of Asians like pandas more than maples and will like them even more as time goes by.

Quo_Vadis
22nd June 2011, 05:00
Well I love them and have got EVERY one ever minted(1oz Silver that is) including the 2oz (only 2oz ever minted and only made 10,000 of them). None of them are Fakes (because they are one of the Coins I specialise in) and If I was to sell the whole collection right now, I'd get at least 3 times more than I paid for them (and I've got at least 4 buyers who would take them right now). They are not for sale though, because I love them and collect them for Fun; as well as for investment. I bought the 2oz with another Panda Coin (off of the same Guy), the other one is now worth what I paid for both at the Time. That means that, in effect, the 2oz was free and you couldn't buy that (if you could find one), for less than 735 Dollars...................I call THAT Profit.;)

maplesilverbug
22nd June 2011, 08:37
Numbers speak, Maple lies.

2004

Britannica: 100,000 minted; $110.00
Aussie Kook: 300,000 minted; $51.00
Maple: 681,000 minted; $43.00
Panda: 600,000 minted; $130.00

Yup, numbers speak, suckers buy. :)

aequitas
22nd June 2011, 14:17
At what price my slow witted fool. I never said buy from apmex, I never said buy the 2004 for $125, I wouldnt do it myself.

JimBo
22nd June 2011, 18:15
Bug, Vancouver riots, what happened to peaceful canadians?

JimBo
22nd June 2011, 18:16
Pandas how do you know they are not fake, chinese making fake american silver eagles.

maplesilverbug
22nd June 2011, 18:25
At what price my slow witted fool. I never said buy from apmex, I never said buy the 2004 for $125, I wouldnt do it myself.

Ah, now I see! It's a pick-&-choose wheel-of-fortune investment scheme!
Scarcity/low mintage is NOT the driver in skyrocketing premiums -- human nature is!
Yup, guess if you can pick out which years people think are "magic", then you've got it made!

Get out the dart board! LOL!!!

maplesilverbug
22nd June 2011, 18:26
Bug, Vancouver riots, what happened to peaceful canadians?

Don't upset us...we might burn down your White House...again.

maestro
30th June 2011, 22:01
am i missing something here on this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/2011-CHINA-SILVER-PANDA-COIN-1-OZ-10-YUAN-999-/150626106634?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item231203fd0a

SilverSpot
30th June 2011, 23:50
am i missing something here on this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/2011-CHINA-SILVER-PANDA-COIN-1-OZ-10-YUAN-999-/150626106634?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item231203fd0a

I'm curious now too, possibly fake??

maestro
1st July 2011, 00:08
i messaged them asking if they are solid silver and 1 troy ounce. and they replyed yes doesn't mean much but i'm pretty sure paypal will refund your money if it's fraudulant. but not sure why auction is in australian dollars.

SilverSpot
1st July 2011, 00:12
Weird, I have a hard time trusting chinese people, I hear there good at counterfitting everything we make. Could be worth it though.

maplesilverbug
1st July 2011, 11:53
Weird, I have a hard time trusting chinese people, I hear there (sic) good at counterfitting (sic) everything we make. Could be worth it though.

That would be true except for the fact that USA! no longer makes anything.

What you mean to say is that the Chinese are good at counterfeiting everything the Chinese make.

Not to mention that the Chinese Panda is not, nor ever has been, produced by the USA!.

Guess that's the price you pay for exporting decades of inflation just to have a $30 DVD player.

Quo_Vadis
1st July 2011, 15:24
am i missing something here on this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/2011-CHINA-SILVER-PANDA-COIN-1-OZ-10-YUAN-999-/150626106634?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item231203fd0a

Well if it's any use, I've spent Years researching and specializing in Silver Panda Coins and I wouldn't buy these Coins.