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Asheron
17th December 2008, 14:38
The head of the International Monetary Fund has warned that advanced nations will be hit by violent civil unrest if the elite continue to restructure the economy around their own interests while looting the taxpayer.

During a speech in Madrid, Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that “social unrest may happen in many countries - including advanced economies” if governments failed to adequately respond to the financial crisis.

“He added that violent protests could break out in countries worldwide if the financial system was not restructured to benefit everyone rather than a small elite,” reports the Guardian.

Strauss-Kahn’s comments echo those of others who have cautioned that civil unrest could arise, specifically in the U.S., as a result of the wholesale looting of the taxpayer and the devaluation of the dollar.

Widely respected trends forecaster Gerald Celente recently told Fox News that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

Back in October, Senator Chris Dodd said that revolution would unfold if banks refused to lend money.

“If it turns out that they are hoarding, you’ll have a revolution on your hands. People will be so livid and furious that their tax money is going to line their pockets instead of doing the right thing. There will be hell to pay,” Dodd told the New York Times.

Last month, leading economist Nouriel Roubini said that food riots would be the ultimate consequence of the Federal Reserve and the Treasury’s current policies.


Riots and demonstrations have gripped normally sedate Iceland following a financial catastrophe that has wiped out half of the krona’s value and put one third of the population at risk of losing their homes and life savings.

Expectations of violent civil unrest have not gone unnoticed by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute, who recently issued a report warning that the United States may experience massive civil unrest in the wake of a series of crises which it terms “strategic shock.”

The consequence? The necessity to use “military force against hostile groups inside the United States,” according to the report.

Tens of thousands of active duty military personnel returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are set to conduct “homeland patrols” inside the U.S. and their duties will include tackling “civil unrest and crowd control,” according to a Northcom announcement earlier this year.

cfole
17th December 2008, 14:52
The head of the International Monetary Fund has warned that advanced nations will be hit by violent civil unrest if the elite continue to restructure the economy around their own interests while looting the taxpayer.

During a speech in Madrid, Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that “social unrest may happen in many countries - including advanced economies” if governments failed to adequately respond to the financial crisis.

“He added that violent protests could break out in countries worldwide if the financial system was not restructured to benefit everyone rather than a small elite,” reports the Guardian.

Strauss-Kahn’s comments echo those of others who have cautioned that civil unrest could arise, specifically in the U.S., as a result of the wholesale looting of the taxpayer and the devaluation of the dollar.

Widely respected trends forecaster Gerald Celente recently told Fox News that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

Back in October, Senator Chris Dodd said that revolution would unfold if banks refused to lend money.

“If it turns out that they are hoarding, you’ll have a revolution on your hands. People will be so livid and furious that their tax money is going to line their pockets instead of doing the right thing. There will be hell to pay,” Dodd told the New York Times.

Last month, leading economist Nouriel Roubini said that food riots would be the ultimate consequence of the Federal Reserve and the Treasury’s current policies.


Riots and demonstrations have gripped normally sedate Iceland following a financial catastrophe that has wiped out half of the krona’s value and put one third of the population at risk of losing their homes and life savings.

Expectations of violent civil unrest have not gone unnoticed by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute, who recently issued a report warning that the United States may experience massive civil unrest in the wake of a series of crises which it terms “strategic shock.”

The consequence? The necessity to use “military force against hostile groups inside the United States,” according to the report.

Tens of thousands of active duty military personnel returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are set to conduct “homeland patrols” inside the U.S. and their duties will include tackling “civil unrest and crowd control,” according to a Northcom announcement earlier this year.

Well if there is a they (grand grp. of elites controlling the worlds economy) they can't be too happy about this.

What are they going to do, start shooting law abiding citizens on the street because they no longer follow the laws? If that's the case, i'd revolt for my son's sake (he's nine)

MikeJ
17th December 2008, 15:23
A French Revolution will occur if they turn troops on our own citizens. And the heads will roll in Washington.

valerb
17th December 2008, 15:55
Tens of thousands of active duty military personnel returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are set to conduct “homeland patrols” inside the U.S. and their duties will include tackling “civil unrest and crowd control,” according to a Northcom announcement earlier this year.

That is just lip service on the militaries part. There is no way the military could begin to control nation wide civil unrest. They would have to abandon every war and military post in the world, activate the reserves and all national guard units and they still couldn't do it.

There simply is not enough of them. We as a civilian population are the best trained military force in the world, except for maybe Israel, but they are much too small to count. We are better equipped and can fight a war from a distance, which our militaries fighting force can not, with the exception of a small percentage of snipers. Look at what our military has had to deal with in Iraq, with people using AK-47's and no real training. The AK-47 is basically a close quarters combat rifle. Back off a couple hundred yards and the average person can't hit a damn thing. Our population owns and are highly trained with high powered rifles that can be accurately fired from hundreds of yards away. There must be hundreds of thousands of us who were experts and competed in the military over the years at hitting targets from 600 yards and not using a scope. Add a scope and the number of Americans who can do that jumps exponentially. There has to be millions in this country who have never served in the military, but are just as competent if not better than the experts coming from the military. Then there are tens of million who are just a well trained with shooting a rifle as our current military. So how do you stack up a million or so military force against a civilian force that well trained and in far superior numbers. At best, they could control several major cities, while the rest of the country did their own thing. The military would never use their heavy armaments against our civilian population, so the air force and navy are out of the picture, as well as the armies artillery units.

I personally believe we would see a military take over of the government first. Just how many generals would actually agree to send in their forces against their own civilian population.

Android
17th December 2008, 17:17
That is just lip service on the militaries part. There is no way the military could begin to control nation wide civil unrest. They would have to abandon every war and military post in the world, activate the reserves and all national guard units and they still couldn't do it.

There simply is not enough of them. We as a civilian population are the best trained military force in the world, except for maybe Israel, but they are much too small to count. We are better equipped and can fight a war from a distance, which our militaries fighting force can not, with the exception of a small percentage of snipers. Look at what our military has had to deal with in Iraq, with people using AK-47's and no real training. The AK-47 is basically a close quarters combat rifle. Back off a couple hundred yards and the average person can't hit a damn thing. Our population owns and are highly trained with high powered rifles that can be accurately fired from hundreds of yards away. There must be hundreds of thousands of us who were experts and competed in the military over the years at hitting targets from 600 yards and not using a scope. Add a scope and the number of Americans who can do that jumps exponentially. There has to be millions in this country who have never served in the military, but are just as competent if not better than the experts coming from the military. Then there are tens of million who are just a well trained with shooting a rifle as our current military. So how do you stack up a million or so military force against a civilian force that well trained and in far superior numbers. At best, they could control several major cities, while the rest of the country did their own thing. The military would never use their heavy armaments against our civilian population, so the air force and navy are out of the picture, as well as the armies artillery units.

I personally believe we would see a military take over of the government first. Just how many generals would actually agree to send in their forces against their own civilian population.

Ahh....life is good. Merry Christmas, everyone..

argentos
17th December 2008, 17:46
The military would never use their heavy armaments against our civilian population, so the air force and navy are out of the picture, as well as the armies artillery units.



I'm not sure that your faith is justified. Would they still hold back, even when half the squad had been killed by snipers? It will not be "our civilian population", it will be "those terrorists" or somesuch.

Asheron
18th December 2008, 10:32
Have you seen the FEMA camps they have built in America? if not search for FEMA camps on YouTube, and FEMA trains.

jechilt
18th December 2008, 10:48
That is just lip service on the militaries part. There is no way the military could begin to control nation wide civil unrest. They would have to abandon every war and military post in the world, activate the reserves and all national guard units and they still couldn't do it.

There simply is not enough of them. We as a civilian population are the best trained military force in the world, except for maybe Israel, but they are much too small to count. We are better equipped and can fight a war from a distance, which our militaries fighting force can not, with the exception of a small percentage of snipers. Look at what our military has had to deal with in Iraq, with people using AK-47's and no real training. The AK-47 is basically a close quarters combat rifle. Back off a couple hundred yards and the average person can't hit a damn thing. Our population owns and are highly trained with high powered rifles that can be accurately fired from hundreds of yards away. There must be hundreds of thousands of us who were experts and competed in the military over the years at hitting targets from 600 yards and not using a scope. Add a scope and the number of Americans who can do that jumps exponentially. There has to be millions in this country who have never served in the military, but are just as competent if not better than the experts coming from the military. Then there are tens of million who are just a well trained with shooting a rifle as our current military. So how do you stack up a million or so military force against a civilian force that well trained and in far superior numbers. At best, they could control several major cities, while the rest of the country did their own thing. The military would never use their heavy armaments against our civilian population, so the air force and navy are out of the picture, as well as the armies artillery units.

I personally believe we would see a military take over of the government first. Just how many generals would actually agree to send in their forces against their own civilian population.

An interesting point you bring up. However, while Rex84 still has holding facilities ready for use, control mass amounts of people is certainly possible.
Have you seen any of the interviews of soldiers after being sent to the wealthy neighborhoods in La after Katrina hit. Military service members were deployed to go through the area and confiscate their weapons. So...not only do we have a gov't forcing their will on people by taking their weapons, the military is geared to follow orders, regardless of where, when, how. During an interview, one soldier said he would be very upset if he had to do what he was trained to do if a US civilian did not comply with what was asked of them.

Trvlr45
18th December 2008, 11:23
That is just lip service on the militaries part. There is no way the military could begin to control nation wide civil unrest. They would have to abandon every war and military post in the world, activate the reserves and all national guard units and they still couldn't do it.

There simply is not enough of them. We as a civilian population are the best trained military force in the world, except for maybe Israel, but they are much too small to count. We are better equipped and can fight a war from a distance, which our militaries fighting force can not, with the exception of a small percentage of snipers. Look at what our military has had to deal with in Iraq, with people using AK-47's and no real training. The AK-47 is basically a close quarters combat rifle. Back off a couple hundred yards and the average person can't hit a damn thing. Our population owns and are highly trained with high powered rifles that can be accurately fired from hundreds of yards away. There must be hundreds of thousands of us who were experts and competed in the military over the years at hitting targets from 600 yards and not using a scope. Add a scope and the number of Americans who can do that jumps exponentially. There has to be millions in this country who have never served in the military, but are just as competent if not better than the experts coming from the military. Then there are tens of million who are just a well trained with shooting a rifle as our current military. So how do you stack up a million or so military force against a civilian force that well trained and in far superior numbers. At best, they could control several major cities, while the rest of the country did their own thing. The military would never use their heavy armaments against our civilian population, so the air force and navy are out of the picture, as well as the armies artillery units.

I personally believe we would see a military take over of the government first. Just how many generals would actually agree to send in their forces against their own civilian population.

I hope you're right, Valerb, but the problem is that Bush signed legislation a while back to allow the Canadian military to come in here in the case of civil unrest. Then you have the fact that he also allowed the Mexican military in after Katrina.

Bill Clinton worked a loophole into the constitution requiring our military to put on the UN uniform and work for the international community. One of our soldiers, Mike New refused to do that under Clinton and was court-marshalled. He was still sueing last time I checked.

Then there arew presidential directives signed by Bush a while back (i think the are directives 50 and 20 or 51 and 20. I can't remember the exact numbers) which allow the commander in chief to send congress home and literally become a dictator. With communists now in charge and the majority of republicans in fascist mode I shudder to think what they will do if they are given the chance.

Then you have Homeland Insecurity and FEMA which are there to assist in controlling us not in helping us. The concentration camps which Bush gave Halliburton 365 million to upgrade and maintain about 6 years ago.

In addition to all this we have all the other executive orders signed by previous administrations basically allowing the government to take over every industry and ALL private property as they see fit in case of a disaster.

in addition to all of this there is weaponry THEY have such as the new microwave weapon they just debuted a while back where they can flip a switch and make a thousand people feel like they are on fire. There is no telling what they really have.

Also, if you notice. Over the past 15 or 20 years they have quietly run all the true patriots and "Patton" types out of the military and replaced them with more docile UN types. The sissification of the military has been underway for some time. That is NOT to say, however, that it is anywhere near 100%.

We have very big problems headed our way and who will win reamains to be seen. There are far too many people that still think the government is their friend and this last election proves it. Obama supporters will walk right into a camp with no questions asked if he tells them to. Most of them anyway.

We will just have to wait and see what transpires.

silverheartbone
7th January 2012, 09:59
The head of the International Monetary Fund has warned that advanced nations will be hit by violent civil unrest if the elite continue to restructure the economy around their own interests while looting the taxpayer.

During a speech in Madrid, Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that “social unrest may happen in many countries - including advanced economies” if governments failed to adequately respond to the financial crisis.

“He added that violent protests could break out in countries worldwide if the financial system was not restructured to benefit everyone rather than a small elite,” reports the Guardian.

Strauss-Kahn’s comments echo those of others who have cautioned that civil unrest could arise, specifically in the U.S., as a result of the wholesale looting of the taxpayer and the devaluation of the dollar.

Widely respected trends forecaster Gerald Celente recently told Fox News that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

Back in October, Senator Chris Dodd said that revolution would unfold if banks refused to lend money.

“If it turns out that they are hoarding, you’ll have a revolution on your hands. People will be so livid and furious that their tax money is going to line their pockets instead of doing the right thing. There will be hell to pay,” Dodd told the New York Times.

Last month, leading economist Nouriel Roubini said that food riots would be the ultimate consequence of the Federal Reserve and the Treasury’s current policies.


Riots and demonstrations have gripped normally sedate Iceland following a financial catastrophe that has wiped out half of the krona’s value and put one third of the population at risk of losing their homes and life savings.

Expectations of violent civil unrest have not gone unnoticed by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute, who recently issued a report warning that the United States may experience massive civil unrest in the wake of a series of crises which it terms “strategic shock.”

The consequence? The necessity to use “military force against hostile groups inside the United States,” according to the report.

Tens of thousands of active duty military personnel returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are set to conduct “homeland patrols” inside the U.S. and their duties will include tackling “civil unrest and crowd control,” according to a Northcom announcement earlier this year.

That was a pretty good call there Asheron. http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon14.png

If that's not a copy and paste job then kudos for the excellent report.

maplesilverbug
7th January 2012, 11:33
During a speech in Madrid, Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that “social unrest may happen in many countries..."

Ummm....was he foreshadowing/projecting his OWN demise?!? LOL!

The predictions were correct, unfortunately the people forgot to do something about it!
Oh wait...they did -- they spent at record-breaking levels during the holidays! LOL!



p.s. -- OF COURSE this is a copy-paste job!

valerb
9th January 2012, 01:38
Here we are over three years later and just how many millions are locked away in those FEMA camps now????

It's been discussed many times before, the generals are in charge of the military, so to speak. But it's really a decision making organization of active and retired generals that will have the final call at their level. They are the command officers corp.

Then you have the far greater group of officer in the junior officer corp, who would in all likelihood over ride any grossly unpopular decision the command officer would make. The men in uniform report directly to the junior officers and they have far more respect for them than the generals. Besides the men and women in uniform are the ones that are more than likely to revolt against any gross decisions to take actions against their own citizens in general. Knowing that, the junior officer corp would more than likely side with the grunts versus try and force them to do things they don't believe in themselves.

Far too many people think these decision made in Washington by the president or secretary of defense are carried out at will, without the military leaders standing up to them. Look how many general have been fired since world war II, for standing for what they believed was wrong. They knowingly gave up their careers rather than follow those orders. and that was fighting against foreign enemies. Do you honestly believe our military leaders have no backbone to stand up against the president if he wanted to run roughshod over the country. All they have to do is say NO, we won't do it and there is nothing he can do about it. Even if they were wishy washy about it and were on the fence and decided not the fight the president, they still have to deal with the junior officer corp, who would be far more likely to not go along with the plan and then the generals would be back to square one. They are not idiots and would already know what the junior officers corp positions on the matter would be and that would help or force them to make their stand.

You don't think the president just decided to go to war in Afghanistan and all the generals said yes sir, we'll jump right on it sir. There had to be strategies agreed to before they ever started a single thing. We never hear about programs that are rejected by the top military leaders, only the ones that are rejected by a single general, when he is fired.

As far as bringing in the military from Canada, what a joke that would be. That would be like calling up some states national guard. Keep in mind that we only have about 500,000 combat troops in the US military for such action, assuming we brought them back from all points in the world. Throw in another 25k - 50K from Canada and you sure can't call in any help from Mexico. The Mexican military in up to their necks in alligators down there. So assuming all the generals and all the junior officers and all the enlisted men an women would go along with an invasion of the US population. It's still only well under a million, including the Canadians, against 75 million or more well armed and trained in the US civilian population. The numbers just don't add up and neither does the logic of even trying something like this. Maybe in England where the people are unarmed, but not in the third most populated country in the world and with a civilian population that is so well armed and trained.

In other words, I wasn't buying it back in 2008 and I'm not buying to today either. You can post all the You Tube scare videos you want, but until these FEMA camps start to fill up and the military is called back to the US and the general population in setting on their ass doing noting about it, it's all a bunch of BS!!!

valerb
9th January 2012, 01:56
The head of the International Monetary Fund has warned that advanced nations will be hit by violent civil unrest if the elite continue to restructure the economy around their own interests while looting the taxpayer.

During a speech in Madrid, Dominique Strauss-Kahn said that “social unrest may happen in many countries - including advanced economies” if governments failed to adequately respond to the financial crisis.

“He added that violent protests could break out in countries worldwide if the financial system was not restructured to benefit everyone rather than a small elite,” reports the Guardian.

Strauss-Kahn’s comments echo those of others who have cautioned that civil unrest could arise, specifically in the U.S., as a result of the wholesale looting of the taxpayer and the devaluation of the dollar.

Widely respected trends forecaster Gerald Celente recently told Fox News that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

Back in October, Senator Chris Dodd said that revolution would unfold if banks refused to lend money.

“If it turns out that they are hoarding, you’ll have a revolution on your hands. People will be so livid and furious that their tax money is going to line their pockets instead of doing the right thing. There will be hell to pay,” Dodd told the New York Times.

Last month, leading economist Nouriel Roubini said that food riots would be the ultimate consequence of the Federal Reserve and the Treasury’s current policies.


Riots and demonstrations have gripped normally sedate Iceland following a financial catastrophe that has wiped out half of the krona’s value and put one third of the population at risk of losing their homes and life savings.

Expectations of violent civil unrest have not gone unnoticed by the U.S. Army War College’s Strategic Institute, who recently issued a report warning that the United States may experience massive civil unrest in the wake of a series of crises which it terms “strategic shock.”

The consequence? The necessity to use “military force against hostile groups inside the United States,” according to the report.

Tens of thousands of active duty military personnel returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are set to conduct “homeland patrols” inside the U.S. and their duties will include tackling “civil unrest and crowd control,” according to a Northcom announcement earlier this year.



That just goes to show how far from reality this clown is. Um, It's 2012 and I haven't seen any food riots and we are far from an undeveloped nation. The Dollar has not been devalued.

The clown sounds like a socialist of the worst kind. Restructure the financial system so everyone benefits from it. Yes let's make everyone in the wold a middle class citizen. No that can't work, so I guess he means that we'll all have to be lower class citizens.

billmr
9th January 2012, 02:34
That just goes to show how far from reality this clown is. Um, It's 2012 and I haven't seen any food riots and we are far from an undeveloped nation. The Dollar has not been devalued.

The clown sounds like a socialist of the worst kind. Restructure the financial system so everyone benefits from it. Yes let's make everyone in the wold a middle class citizen. No that can't work, so I guess he means that we'll all have to be lower class citizens.

ok, explain how this is going to help us?

Global banking checks to begin early in 2012 (http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/bank-banking-basel.efp)

if you really understand how the bankers operate, you will know what Basel III means.

maplesilverbug
9th January 2012, 09:47
ok, explain how this is going to help us?

Global banking checks to begin early in 2012 (http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/bank-banking-basel.efp)

if you really understand how the bankers operate, you will know what Basel III means.

Hmmm...I think this was brought up elsewhere some time ago.

If you rip apart Basel you will see that none of it is a very big deal to the bankers.
It effects a minority of their profit potential.

Malus
9th January 2012, 21:09
That just goes to show how far from reality this clown is. Um, It's 2012 and I haven't seen any food riots and we are far from an undeveloped nation. The Dollar has not been devalued.

The clown sounds like a socialist of the worst kind. Restructure the financial system so everyone benefits from it. Yes let's make everyone in the wold a middle class citizen. No that can't work, so I guess he means that we'll all have to be lower class citizens.

Your right, but, in a real world scenario the system should have tanked hard in 08', instead we got helicopter Bennie saying he'll print as much worthless ass wipe as he needs. The only thing keeping this game afloat is the peoples "faith" in this fiat currency and a lot of digital dickering. Now, that is slowly fading and the debt levels are at a point of no return. Predictions of "exactly when" are pretty hard to guess when criminals are running the tables and you still have a few chips left in front of you. The more the debt ceiling raises and currency is created the less chips you have in front of you. The American dollar is worthless and its just a matter of time (not long now), especially considering production is ramping down in China, EU is collapsing, more war = billions if not trillions more fiat creation. You'll get your riots, don't you fret............

valerb
10th January 2012, 07:27
Your right, but, in a real world scenario the system should have tanked hard in 08', instead we got helicopter Bennie saying he'll print as much worthless ass wipe as he needs. The only thing keeping this game afloat is the peoples "faith" in this fiat currency and a lot of digital dickering. Now, that is slowly fading and the debt levels are at a point of no return. Predictions of "exactly when" are pretty hard to guess when criminals are running the tables and you still have a few chips left in front of you. The more the debt ceiling raises and currency is created the less chips you have in front of you. The American dollar is worthless and its just a matter of time (not long now), especially considering production is ramping down in China, EU is collapsing, more war = billions if not trillions more fiat creation. You'll get your riots, don't you fret............


According to your logic, Silver must be worthless also. Since anyone can trade those so called worthless Dollars for apparently worthless Silver. Or could it be that the Dollar is just worthless in your mind and not in reality? When the day comes that you can no longer walk into a grocery store and trade those worthless Dollars for food, then the Dollar will be worthless and not before.

Funny thing about history, it keeps repeating itself. Some how we never stop finding reasons to kill each other and there will in all likelihood be a never ending line of people starving to death. The only thing that changes is, who's on top and who's on the bottom as the history deck is reshuffled in time!!!

Just because there are wars, rioting and starvation, does not mean it "will" be happening right here in the US. Since we are the bread basket of the world, can you imagine what it will be like most everywhere else before it gets bad here, if it does at all?

Do you envision 300 million American's running around shooting each other or looting all the stores and burning them? You won't need riots to empty the store shelves of food items, just a fear of a shortage will do that is one or two day's. Even if the Dollar was to become worthless overnight, there still isn't enough food in those stores to feed America for more than a few day's at most. So what will the riots be about and who will be doing it and to what? Riots are carried out by low life thugs looking to take advantage of a situation. The average person doesn't get involved in those kinds of activities, but would in all probability stand up against them, from extending their activities into their neighborhoods. Look what they did in England, manned their neighborhoods with clubs to keep the punks out. We have GUNS and a lot of them. Ask any grunt if he would rather be on a battle field or in town going house to house fighting the enemy and that is just what rioters face when they start roaming. They are on the outside looking to break-in, not knowing what or who is on the inside. While we are hiding on the inside taking aim with our semi-automatic rifles.

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this mad max scenario where millions are running rampant in the streets looting and burning everything in sight.
Don't confuse mass protest or even parts of the country trying to leave the union, with the actions of thugs rioting in the streets.

beach miner
10th January 2012, 07:35
In Vietnam Junior officers who Got Outta Line with the Grunts got Fragged. Fragging is when a Junior Officer is Blown Up With A Grenade. The reality is that the Ground Pounding Rifleman is going to be asked to fire on people who look just like their Mom, Dad, Sister and Brother. No order from above is gonna have enough clout to make most of them do that. Remember in Moscow when the Commanders ordered the Tanks to fire on the Public Buildings, and the Tankers said Nyet. Then they let the people who looked like their family members climb aboard the Tanks. FEMA camps are only as good as the number of guards it takes to surpress the people in them. Americans have been well educated by hundreds of hours of movies that have engrained in their heads---Don't let them get you into the camp. The only way they can control the population is with food. Your only as free as your ability to feed, and warm yourself while you hold your rifle.

valerb
10th January 2012, 08:21
In Vietnam Junior officers who Got Outta Line with the Grunts got Fragged. Fragging is when a Junior Officer is Blown Up With A Grenade. The reality is that the Ground Pounding Rifleman is going to be asked to fire on people who look just like their Mom, Dad, Sister and Brother. No order from above is gonna have enough clout to make most of them do that. Remember in Moscow when the Commanders ordered the Tanks to fire on the Public Buildings, and the Tankers said Nyet. Then they let the people who looked like their family members climb aboard the Tanks. FEMA camps are only as good as the number of guards it takes to surpress the people in them. Americans have been well educated by hundreds of hours of movies that have engrained in their heads---Don't let them get you into the camp. The only way they can control the population is with food. Your only as free as your ability to feed, and warm yourself while you hold your rifle.

That's what I've been saying for years about our soldiers and the officers know it and they are not likely to raise arms against their families either.


That food chain we have is the best fed in the world. That's why I say we will be the lasts ones to feel any pain from a food shortage. Even if the government tried to cut it off, the people would just take it back. There is just too many of us and too few of them to pull off anything like that, even on a You Tube spectacular. But it doesn't hurt to have enough food in your basement to feed a small army, to make sure "you" do not run out and no one is able to take it away from you!!!! I may not have sandbags around my house for protection, but having enough guns to fend off intruders is the next best thing. Short of hiding out in the Alaska mountains of course!!!

Malus
10th January 2012, 21:30
According to your logic, Silver must be worthless also. Since anyone can trade those so called worthless Dollars for apparently worthless Silver. Or could it be that the Dollar is just worthless in your mind and not in reality? When the day comes that you can no longer walk into a grocery store and trade those worthless Dollars for food, then the Dollar will be worthless and not before.

Funny thing about history, it keeps repeating itself. Some how we never stop finding reasons to kill each other and there will in all likelihood be a never ending line of people starving to death. The only thing that changes is, who's on top and who's on the bottom as the history deck is reshuffled in time!!!

Just because there are wars, rioting and starvation, does not mean it "will" be happening right here in the US. Since we are the bread basket of the world, can you imagine what it will be like most everywhere else before it gets bad here, if it does at all?

Do you envision 300 million American's running around shooting each other or looting all the stores and burning them? You won't need riots to empty the store shelves of food items, just a fear of a shortage will do that is one or two day's. Even if the Dollar was to become worthless overnight, there still isn't enough food in those stores to feed America for more than a few day's at most. So what will the riots be about and who will be doing it and to what? Riots are carried out by low life thugs looking to take advantage of a situation. The average person doesn't get involved in those kinds of activities, but would in all probability stand up against them, from extending their activities into their neighborhoods. Look what they did in England, manned their neighborhoods with clubs to keep the punks out. We have GUNS and a lot of them. Ask any grunt if he would rather be on a battle field or in town going house to house fighting the enemy and that is just what rioters face when they start roaming. They are on the outside looking to break-in, not knowing what or who is on the inside. While we are hiding on the inside taking aim with our semi-automatic rifles.

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying this mad max scenario where millions are running rampant in the streets looting and burning everything in sight.
Don't confuse mass protest or even parts of the country trying to leave the union, with the actions of thugs rioting in the streets.

I never said silver was worthless, nor did I compare street thugs to protesters (that be you mate). Now, with that out of the way, the US is not the "bread basket" of the world. That is a long piece of propaganda fed to you by the same government that brought you 9/11. Even Rome fell and at the time nobody thought that possible. They watered down their money supply as well (took out the "silver" and mix in crap). After a time the army didn't even want it because it became so widespread and worthless. Endless wars cost a lot of money. It bankrupts all who pursue it. Riots are carried out by desperate people. If food ran out, do you think you could trust your starving neighbour and their kids from eventually attacking you for your food (?). BTW, the average American watches American Idol and football and figures that someone will eventually figure it all out. So sorry not this time. The population of not just America has been dumbed down with fluoride/GMO/vaccinations/MSM and is blissfully unprepared or aware of whats coming down the pipe. I'd rather be prepared for the worst and not need it then to be SOL..................

valerb
10th January 2012, 23:31
I never said silver was worthless, nor did I compare street thugs to protesters (that be you mate). Now, with that out of the way, the US is not the "bread basket" of the world. That is a long piece of propaganda fed to you by the same government that brought you 9/11. Even Rome fell and at the time nobody thought that possible. They watered down their money supply as well (took out the "silver" and mix in crap). After a time the army didn't even want it because it became so widespread and worthless. Endless wars cost a lot of money. It bankrupts all who pursue it. Riots are carried out by desperate people. If food ran out, do you think you could trust your starving neighbour and their kids from eventually attacking you for your food (?). BTW, the average American watches American Idol and football and figures that someone will eventually figure it all out. So sorry not this time. The population of not just America has been dumbed down with fluoride/GMO/vaccinations/MSM and is blissfully unprepared or aware of whats coming down the pipe. I'd rather be prepared for the worst and not need it then to be SOL..................

I'm sorry, your right, Silver is not worthless, but the Dollar is. But just why is it we can still go out and buy Silver and anything else with Worthless Dollars?? I guess they really are not worthless after all!!!

Yes you are comparing protesters with thugs when you state that millions will be rioting in the streets. Protesting and rioting are two different things all together. One is organized and has a goal, the other is disorganized and is out of control.

So the US isn't the bread basket of the world!! We really don't make enough food to feed millions around the world, right. Our farms are simply growing enough food to sustain life here in the US. Would you care to post that You Tube piece of information for us. Grain levels in the US have been dropping because of bad weather, but not because we are consuming it, but because we are exporting it.

No I don't trust my starving neighbors from trying to steal my food supplies, that's why I'm stocking so much extra. Enlisting some trusted neighbors to band with me and protect that food supply and we all feed off of it for a long time, versus letting a bunch of people share it and having it disappear in a couple weeks. Even desperate people can make rational decisions when it comes to life or death.

So while many people are putting all their eggs in the Silver basket and buying guns to protect it. I'm diversifying and putting a lot of money into food as well. Try and hire a bunch of neighbors to help protect your measly stash of food and your stack of Silver, by paying them in Silver. If there is no food to buy, what good is the Silver you are offering them?? Where I'm offering them food that they need to stay alive and they don't even have to know I have a stash of Silver and they don't have to risk going out in search of food to buy and risking their lives in the process. Just band together and protect the stash on hand and we all live!!! Isn't that what survival is all about in the long run?

Besides, you are leaving out the possibility of many other options that could cause mass starvation other than man made problems. Natural disasters have always been a major problem. What's to say the next time one of those super volcano's blows it top, it won't bring on a nuclear winter with the same impact of a nuclear war. Talk about crop failures around the world and food shortages. Then there is always the potential of a super bug running loose around the world killing a few billion people and no one will be willing to even leave their homes for fear of being exposed, even if it means starving to death versus some horrible death by the super bug.

Then we always have the possibility of rising sea waters from a number of different causes, forcing literally hundreds of millions to evacuate to higher ground. I left one daughter in Texas and she multiplied into a family of seven, including a husband. Then two of those off spring have added a spouse and three more wee ones of their own. So now I have a total of twelve family members living at sea level in Corpus Christi Texas, while I live in Atlanta at about 1,000 feet above sea level. Guess who could all of a sudden be over run by a dozen family members in need of food and shelter. That's my number one goal, to protect my family if need be, but all these other things just happen to fall under the same umbrella. I just need a different game plan. My goal is to stay put and to stay alive!!

silverheartbone
15th January 2012, 18:34
In 2012 Americans will continue to be subjected to third world type goon squads.

SPD dash-cam video shows questionable conduct by officers (http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.com/2012/01/spd-dash-cam-video-shows-questionable.html)

In the blink of an eye, what began as a routine police check turned into a chaotic scene.

The dash cam video, exclusively obtained by KOMO News, shows more questionable conduct by Seattle police.

The footage shows two dock workers waiting for work get handcuffed. One is hit with a Taser, and both are arrested by police just because the passenger "lips off" to police.

KOMO News uncovered what the American Civil Liberties Union calls a classic case of "contempt of cop." This type of contact, which starts off as a minor stop and quickly escalates to use of force and arrests, is at the heart of what critics say is wrong with Seattle police.

Officer Harris was suspicious when he saw two dock workers, a mother and her son, sitting in a parked car for more than ans hour. They were waiting for a work call-out.

Harris and another officer approached the pair, and the situation quickly turned violent when the son appeared to to ignore the officer's demands for ID.

"You're gonna get Tased," an officer is heard saying.

"I'm not doing nothing! I'm getting out! Stop! My ankle," the man is heard yelling.

One officer used his Taser in the touch-stun mode, and the two wrestled the passenger to the ground where he suffered cuts to his forehead. The man's mother is seen getting out of the car, repeatedly asking for the officer's boss to be called.

"You guys are really out of line," the woman says.

more at the link…


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81xYmAJn6Tg

2 Seattle, WA cops on dashcam dragging passenger from car & tasing him for refusing to give them ID when he legally didn’t have to then arresting his mom for telling them to call their supervisor.

Ugly.
Real ugly.

valerb
15th January 2012, 19:00
Your right, they should have tased the mother. She was more annoying than the dock workers!!



In 2012 Americans will continue to be subjected to third world type goon squads.

SPD dash-cam video shows questionable conduct by officers (http://mytechnologyworld9.blogspot.com/2012/01/spd-dash-cam-video-shows-questionable.html)

In the blink of an eye, what began as a routine police check turned into a chaotic scene.

The dash cam video, exclusively obtained by KOMO News, shows more questionable conduct by Seattle police.

The footage shows two dock workers waiting for work get handcuffed. One is hit with a Taser, and both are arrested by police just because the passenger "lips off" to police.

KOMO News uncovered what the American Civil Liberties Union calls a classic case of "contempt of cop." This type of contact, which starts off as a minor stop and quickly escalates to use of force and arrests, is at the heart of what critics say is wrong with Seattle police.

Officer Harris was suspicious when he saw two dock workers, a mother and her son, sitting in a parked car for more than ans hour. They were waiting for a work call-out.

Harris and another officer approached the pair, and the situation quickly turned violent when the son appeared to to ignore the officer's demands for ID.

"You're gonna get Tased," an officer is heard saying.

"I'm not doing nothing! I'm getting out! Stop! My ankle," the man is heard yelling.

One officer used his Taser in the touch-stun mode, and the two wrestled the passenger to the ground where he suffered cuts to his forehead. The man's mother is seen getting out of the car, repeatedly asking for the officer's boss to be called.

"You guys are really out of line," the woman says.

more at the link…


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81xYmAJn6Tg

2 Seattle, WA cops on dashcam dragging passenger from car & tasing him for refusing to give them ID when he legally didn’t have to then arresting his mom for telling them to call their supervisor.

Ugly.
Real ugly.

silverheartbone
15th January 2012, 21:04
Your right, they should have tased the mother. She was more annoying than the dock workers!!
They assaulted the son for doing nothing but standing up for his right to privacy. They should be tased in a wet place by the victim.
Arrogant assholes who get away with assault and battery upon innocent citizens while hiding behind a badge are low scum, lower than most convicts.
And you would have liked to see them assault the female for asking that they obey the law?
You must be joking.

valerb
16th January 2012, 08:28
They assaulted the son for doing nothing but standing up for his right to privacy. They should be tased in a wet place by the victim.
Arrogant assholes who get away with assault and battery upon innocent citizens while hiding behind a badge are low scum, lower than most convicts.
And you would have liked to see them assault the female for asking that they obey the law?
You must be joking.


Of course, but she was annoying.

I've seen those video tapes go both ways in the past. When you only see part of it, sometimes the cops look like the good guy. Other times when you only see part of the tape, the cop looks like the bad guy. When you see the entire tape you may come away with the opposite opinion. Besides, who in this country hasn't watched enough TV to know that when a cop asks you for identification, your not suppose to tell him to piss off. That's only going to piss off the officer and you might end up getting tased if you keep up resisting their directions. Hmmmm, isn't that what happened to that knuckle head?? At least that's what I remember from watching it yesterday, maybe I'm wrong and need to watch him get tased one more time, just to be sure!

Seriously, what is the harm in providing a police officer your identification whenever he asked for it? I've never had one come up to me on the street and say, hey mister, let's see some ID. But then I'm never hanging around any street corners where drug deals and prostitutes are hanging out. I'm a respectable citizen, I would always frequent a house of ill repute if I was in search of such wondrous pleasures and only in Nevada!!!

I have had cops pull up along side me while in parking lots at night a few times and ask me what I was doing and I'd tell them and only once did they ever ask to see any ID and then left. That's their job, to protect and serve and if they are not checking out suspicious activity, then they are not serving us at all. If we want the police to protect us from the bad guys, then they have to be proactive and stop them before they even start in some incidents. Just asking them what they are doing and wanting to see some ID, is enough to have them move on to a new location, if they were up to no good.

The dumbest thing you can do when pulled over by a cop for anything is to give him any kind of crap whatsoever. I don't know how many times I've been pulled over for speeding in my life and I've only received two tickets and they were both in multi-car speed trap zones where one officer was in the street directing the cars to the side of the freeway after you rounded the curve and had already been caught on radar and a number of cops were writing up the tickets. Every other time it was always yes sir, no sir, good morning and the worst I ever received were written warnings.

The dumbest thing you can do in or out of a car is to tell a cop no, I know my rights, when he asks for information or gives you directions. Hello mister taser, I want you to meet my new friend!!

silverheartbone
16th January 2012, 09:00
Of course, but she was annoying.

I've seen those video tapes go both ways in the past. When you only see part of it, sometimes the cops look like the good guy. Other times when you only see part of the tape, the cop looks like the bad guy. When you see the entire tape you may come away with the opposite opinion. Besides, who in this country hasn't watched enough TV to know that when a cop asks you for identification, your not suppose to tell him to piss off. That's only going to piss off the officer and you might end up getting tased if you keep up resisting their directions. Hmmmm, isn't that what happened to that knuckle head?? At least that's what I remember from watching it yesterday, maybe I'm wrong and need to watch him get tased one more time, just to be sure!

Seriously, what is the harm in providing a police officer your identification whenever he asked for it? I've never had one come up to me on the street and say, hey mister, let's see some ID. But then I'm never hanging around any street corners where drug deals and prostitutes are hanging out. I'm a respectable citizen, I would always frequent a house of ill repute if I was in search of such wondrous pleasures and only in Nevada!!!

I have had cops pull up along side me while in parking lots at night a few times and ask me what I was doing and I'd tell them and only once did they ever ask to see any ID and then left. That's their job, to protect and serve and if they are not checking out suspicious activity, then they are not serving us at all. If we want the police to protect us from the bad guys, then they have to be proactive and stop them before they even start in some incidents. Just asking them what they are doing and wanting to see some ID, is enough to have them move on to a new location, if they were up to no good.

The dumbest thing you can do when pulled over by a cop for anything is to give him any kind of crap whatsoever. I don't know how many times I've been pulled over for speeding in my life and I've only received two tickets and they were both in multi-car speed trap zones where one officer was in the street directing the cars to the side of the freeway after you rounded the curve and had already been caught on radar and a number of cops were writing up the tickets. Every other time it was always yes sir, no sir, good morning and the worst I ever received were written warnings.

The dumbest thing you can do in or out of a car is to tell a cop no, I know my rights, when he asks for information or gives you directions. Hello mister taser, I want you to meet my new friend!!

I could reply pointing out that they were not driving, only sitting, so most of your post does not apply to this situation, but instead I'll just respond to this event by learning the Spanglsh accent.
So if I am ever in a situation like that, I'll just claim that I'm an illegal Mexican trespasser and I'll be left alone. ;)

silverheartbone
16th January 2012, 09:12
Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons

http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.jpg/1324437456874.jpg (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html)


A Decade After 9/11, Police Departments Are Increasingly Militarized

"The main culprit was a 1994 law authorizing the Pentagon to donate surplus military equipment to local police departments. In the 17 years since, literally millions of pieces of equipment designed for use on a foreign battlefield have been handed over for use on U.S. streets, against U.S. citizens. Another law passed in 1997 further streamlined the process. As National Journal reported in 2000, in the first three years after the 1994 law alone, the Pentagon distributed 3,800 M-16s, 2,185 M-14s, 73 grenade launchers, and 112 armored personnel carriers to civilian police agencies across America. Domestic police agencies also got bayonets, tanks, helicopters and even airplanes." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/police-militarization-9-11-september-11_n_955508.html)

Now since the southern border has been pretty much green lighted wide open by the zionutz who control the federal government, Vale just who do you think these weapons are intended to be used AGAINST?
The Chinese? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon8.png

valerb
16th January 2012, 18:40
Local Cops Ready for War With Homeland Security-Funded Military Weapons

http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.jpg/1324437456874.jpg (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html)


A Decade After 9/11, Police Departments Are Increasingly Militarized

"The main culprit was a 1994 law authorizing the Pentagon to donate surplus military equipment to local police departments. In the 17 years since, literally millions of pieces of equipment designed for use on a foreign battlefield have been handed over for use on U.S. streets, against U.S. citizens. Another law passed in 1997 further streamlined the process. As National Journal reported in 2000, in the first three years after the 1994 law alone, the Pentagon distributed 3,800 M-16s, 2,185 M-14s, 73 grenade launchers, and 112 armored personnel carriers to civilian police agencies across America. Domestic police agencies also got bayonets, tanks, helicopters and even airplanes." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/police-militarization-9-11-september-11_n_955508.html)

Now since the southern border has been pretty much green lighted wide open by the zionutz who control the federal government, Vale just who do you think these weapons are intended to be used AGAINST?
The Chinese? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon8.png

I really don't have any fear of them using those weapons against" me". However it must strike fear in those that are dealing in drugs and other illegal activities.

The "bad guys" out there are loaded to the hilt with automatic weapons and our police are suppose to go up against them with 9 MM hand guns. I don't think so. It's not as if every cop is running around in full battle gear, with an assault riffle. But there are one hell of a lot more police department now far better equipped to handle dangerous situation than in the past. You may find SWAT teams threatening to you, but if your ever in a situation were one is needed, they may very well save your life.

If your worried about all these extra guns and things being turned against "us" in some turning the country upside down situation, I don't. For the same reasons that I've given that I do not believe the military would ever try and trample on us, I believe that goes even more so for our police departments. They don't work for the US government and they are part of our community with families living within our neighborhoods. Everyone knows who family is part of the police force. Would you be part of some goon squad and take the risk of your neighbors taking retribution against your two children and your home while you were out terrorizing the city? It's a two way street you know. There can be a high price to pay for your activities, if they are running against everything you are suppose to be doing for us instead of against us! I'm not the kind of person who could ever take it out on a bad cops children, but there are a lot of people out there that would in a heart beat, but I wouldn't have a problem in burning his house down. Besides, I don't care how large or small your community is, the number of police are always far out numbered by the residents and their guns.

When the day comes that the military and our police start trampling on my freedom, then I'll start to worry about all this stuff and figure out what I need to do. If you feel that time has arrived, then you need to prepare in whatever manner you think is right for you. Just like all these FEMA camps. They can fill them up as far as I'm concerned, as long as the people going in them are illegal aliens. If they put my next door neighbor in one, then I'll join your ranks. If they put me in one, well I was one of the lucky few they grabbed up front at it's too late for me.

skijake
16th January 2012, 19:11
I really don't have any fear of them using those weapons against" me". However it must strike fear in those that are dealing in drugs and other illegal activities.

The "bad guys" out there are loaded to the hilt with automatic weapons and our police are suppose to go up against them with 9 MM hand guns. I don't think so. It's not as if every cop is running around in full battle gear, with an assault riffle. But there are one hell of a lot more police department now far better equipped to handle dangerous situation than in the past. You may find SWAT teams threatening to you, but if your ever in a situation were one is needed, they may very well save your life.

If your worried about all these extra guns and things being turned against "us" in some turning the country upside down situation, I don't. For the same reasons that I've given that I do not believe the military would ever try and trample on us, I believe that goes even more so for our police departments. They don't work for the US government and they are part of our community with families living within our neighborhoods. Everyone knows who family is part of the police force. Would you be part of some goon squad and take the risk of your neighbors taking retribution against your two children and your home while you were out terrorizing the city? It's a two way street you know. There can be a high price to pay for your activities, if they are running against everything you are suppose to be doing for us instead of against us! I'm not the kind of person who could ever take it out on a bad cops children, but there are a lot of people out there that would in a heart beat, but I wouldn't have a problem in burning his house down. Besides, I don't care how large or small your community is, the number of police are always far out numbered by the residents and their guns.

When the day comes that the military and our police start trampling on my freedom, then I'll start to worry about all this stuff and figure out what I need to do. If you feel that time has arrived, then you need to prepare in whatever manner you think is right for you. Just like all these FEMA camps. They can fill them up as far as I'm concerned, as long as the people going in them are illegal aliens. If they put my next door neighbor in one, then I'll join your ranks. If they put me in one, well I was one of the lucky few they grabbed up front at it's too late for me.

You should {with an open mind} study up on Germany after WW1.
You really think Hitler and his henchmen just swayed the German people with some fake charisma and a flag?
Many Loyalists were "cool" with what the Brits were doing here in the Colonies too. As the new Nation struggled after the war there were "Loyalists" who worked to return America to her chains.
It would seem there is always a "resistance" type personality and a "go-along with the flow" type personality.
Some ring the bell,,,,,,, Some watch from the basement.

valerb
17th January 2012, 02:50
You should {with an open mind} study up on Germany after WW1.
You really think Hitler and his henchmen just swayed the German people with some fake charisma and a flag?
Many Loyalists were "cool" with what the Brits were doing here in the Colonies too. As the new Nation struggled after the war there were "Loyalists" who worked to return America to her chains.
It would seem there is always a "resistance" type personality and a "go-along with the flow" type personality.
Some ring the bell,,,,,,, Some watch from the basement.


I'm aware of German history, as well as American history and things change. Somethings for the better and sometimes for the worse. Nothing stays the same forever.

Fortunately for us, unlike so many countries around the world, our citizens are well armed. That in itself in a major obstacle for any government to over come. We are use to our freedom and when you combine a well armed citizen who is free, well that is one tough obstacle. Not the same as running over people who are not armed or use to being free. It's one thing to plan for the future and be prepared, it is something altogether different to be paranoid and constantly believing the government is scheming to turn us into slaves to some new world order or whatever the conspiracy of the day is. Not saying that's what you are doing, but that's what so many on this forum do on a daily basis. It's a long shot to say someone is standing by the bell because they are believing in the conspiracy theories, if that's what you are implying and someone hiding in the basement. I really believe most Americans that will stand up, are not even aware of most of this stuff, but will do the right thing if the time ever arrives and yes many will stay in the basements as always. Maybe some of this stuff is true, but you certainly don't have to buy into it, you just have to act in case it does come about. Being prepared for any and everything is the best thing anyone can do. Talk is cheap, being prepared actually takes money and the willingness to actually spend it on preparedness supplies. Guns, food, water, fiat, PM, anti-biotics, the lists goes on and on, if your really serious about being prepared instead of just running your lips.

Just for any new members, I'm preparing for natural disasters, chemical and biological, not man made to intentionally inflict harm, but they are also covered at the same time.

silverheartbone
23rd January 2012, 09:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq6bKp_sMdM

silverheartbone
24th January 2012, 09:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHf85ELg_9o

There is a direct relationship between poverty and petty crimes. You know, the ones that the police forces tend to be focused on.

Of the innumerable evils which usually brings the decadence of kingdoms, principalities, and republics, the four greatest are, in my opinion: war, immorality, infertility of the land, and the debasement of money. For the first three, the evidence is obvious. But for the fourth, which concerns money, except for a few men of intellect, few people ever see it. Why? Because it is not in one fell swoop, but gradually, by a somewhat latent character, it ruins the state. –Copernicus

More pertinent quotes can be found here. (http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/10/fiat-money-is-root-of-all-evil.html)

valerb
24th January 2012, 13:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHf85ELg_9o

There is a direct relationship between poverty and petty crimes. You know, the ones that the police forces tend to be focused on.

Of the innumerable evils which usually brings the decadence of kingdoms, principalities, and republics, the four greatest are, in my opinion: war, immorality, infertility of the land, and the debasement of money. For the first three, the evidence is obvious. But for the fourth, which concerns money, except for a few men of intellect, few people ever see it. Why? Because it is not in one fell swoop, but gradually, by a somewhat latent character, it ruins the state. –Copernicus

More pertinent quotes can be found here. (http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2010/10/fiat-money-is-root-of-all-evil.html)


That video was just too simplistic and misleading.

Yes Central Banks can print money, but the video gives the impression that all banks can, which is as far from the truth as one can get.

Yes the gap between the poor and the wealthiest is widening, but that has always been the case. Give someone making $10 and hour a 5% raise and compare the results from what someone making $200,000 a year receives with a 5% raise. The annual effects of those 5% raises, puts a lot of distance between the $10 an hour employee and the $200,000 a year Manager. Compound those raises over a ten year period of time and impact is enormous. However that's the exception rather than the rule. The employee usually gets his 5% raise and the Manager may or may not be held to the same restrictions, but usually receives a bonus plan that ranges from zero to 100% or more, based on performance. Unfortunately those high bonus plans are usually restricted to the executives of corporations and is wide spread in the financial industry and that's where the real problem lies. Pay people to lie, cheat and steal and some will do just that with exceptional competence. Bernie, MF Global, just to name a few!!! How wide spread is this kind of activity, no one knows until they are caught and you never catch all the crooks. I'd like to think there are just a few rotten apples in the barrel, but it's not looking good!!

silverheartbone
17th April 2012, 22:12
http://rense.com/1.imagesH/zdrivesplash.jpg