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silverheartbone
8th December 2010, 12:00
Divest every stinkin' share.

And buy some real silver will you? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Sell SLV, crush JP Morgan.

Matthew Shelley
8th December 2010, 12:27
Divest every stinkin' share.
And buy some real silver will you? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon14.gif
Sell SLV, crush JP Morgan.

Kind of going against logic here. If you sell SLV, then SLV will have to sell physical(according to the miasmic prospectus of course). IF JPM is short boatloads as some say, and SLV sells physical it will be a negative for the Silver market in general. Thus benefitting JPM much more than the few bucks in handling fees for SLV that they will lose. You will then likely give up a sizable bid/offer spread to your physical dealer. Seems the winner in the deal would be the physical dealer and the bigger loser would be you.

I don't think too highly of either JPM, or the SLV ETF. If one or both fell by the wayside it wouldn't break my heart. But I don't see that shooting yourself in the foot is going to prove a point to anyone.

Matthew C. Shelley
Commodity Broker

As always: Trading in futures and options is very high risk investing. You can lose all or more of the money you invest. Only risk capital should be used.

skijake
8th December 2010, 12:29
Divest every stinkin' share.

And buy some real silver will you? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Sell SLV, crush JP Morgan.

I did! {2 years ago}
But somebody else bought them. Sad, but true.

krispy
8th December 2010, 12:50
if it helps, I did my bit, and sold the last of my "SLV" @ 29.15 a day or two ago.

most of it was my folks $$, the rest i will likley spend on some hard stuff! that is, if i could get it for less than $35/oz.

anyone care to help me figure out why i didnt drop my savings in when i could get it for $12?:p

Matthew Shelley
8th December 2010, 13:09
if it helps, I did my bit, and sold the last of my "SLV" @ 29.15 a day or two ago.
most of it was my folks $$, the rest i will likley spend on some hard stuff! that is, if i could get it for less than $35/oz.
anyone care to help me figure out why i didnt drop my savings in when i could get it for $12?:p

$35 when cash is at $28? 25% Seems a pretty fat premium to pay if you ask me.

Matthew C. Shelley
Commodity Broker

As always: Trading in futures and options is very high risk investing. You can lose all or more of the money you invest. Only risk capital should be used.

Catholic Family Man
8th December 2010, 13:26
Hey Matt,

You're a smart guy, can you tell me wtf is going on with silver the past 2-3 days?

Thanks

krispy
8th December 2010, 14:30
$35 when cash is at $28? 25% Seems a pretty fat premium to pay if you ask me.

Matthew C. Shelley
Commodity Broker

As always: Trading in futures and options is very high risk investing. You can lose all or more of the money you invest. Only risk capital should be used.

yeah, you're right, just that some of the dealers around here ask some scary premiums. i overexaggerated though, looks like i could pick up genertic rounds for about $31.25 CDN right now... from the cheapest guy around that is. I could find $35 easily if i called the right places!

Matthew Shelley
8th December 2010, 14:34
Hey Matt,
You're a smart guy, can you tell me wtf is going on with silver the past 2-3 days?
Thanks

Looks mostly like some backing and filling to me. If I'm correct in this regard, it is actually rather healthy for the market. I have been talking with other regular Silver traders, and customers about prices, and we all seem to be staring at the $27.20 level as a quite attractive place to be adding longs and a good spot to start risking some spec long trades. This trading territory we are in right this second, based on the market action, is what I would call 'oatmeal', and other people might characterize as mush. Sloppy action, little volume, I'll be glad to get out of here and it would be nice if we dipped first. That would make for some easier trading. If the only move turns out to be up and out, it will be much harder to decide where good risk opportunities are, and I'll have to use wider stops on trades(which is never a thrilling prospect to me).

Matthew C. Shelley
Commodity Broker

As always: Trading in futures and options is very high risk investing. You can lose all or more of the money you invest. Only risk capital should be used.

Catholic Family Man
8th December 2010, 14:48
Thanks Matt I appreciate your perspective.

silverheartbone
8th December 2010, 15:17
Kind of going against logic here. If you sell SLV, then SLV will have to sell physical(according to the miasmic prospectus of course). IF JPM is short boatloads as some say, and SLV sells physical it will be a negative for the Silver market in general. Thus benefitting JPM much more than the few bucks in handling fees for SLV that they will lose. You will then likely give up a sizable bid/offer spread to your physical dealer. Seems the winner in the deal would be the physical dealer and the bigger loser would be you.

If SLV actually sold physical metal, then it would help those who sold SLV when they buy their replacement physical.

I think that millions of shares of SLV have been bought with little price rise,
so why should millions of shares being sold have much effect on the price?

The rest of your logic is confounding to say the least Mr. Shelley.

If I can pickup a $50,000 investment in my hands, and put it in a file cabinet,
then I'll support the dealers who can make that possible.
Better them than the bit pushers.

I'll stand by my serious suggestion.
Unlike you, I have no self serving motive to see these crooked markets continue.
I actually want to see a prosperous America.
Everyone.

I am confident that those who heed my full advice to sell the phony equities and buy real silver will thank me later.

Sell SLV, crush JP Morgan.

silverheartbone
8th December 2010, 15:22
I did! {2 years ago}
But somebody else bought them. Sad, but true.
I hope that you replaced it with real silver.


if it helps, I did my bit, and sold the last of my "SLV" @ 29.15 a day or two ago.

most of it was my folks $$, the rest i will likley spend on some hard stuff! that is, if i could get it for less than $35/oz.

And when you buy your silver with the proceeds it will help you, me, and freedom. http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

Matthew Shelley
8th December 2010, 16:48
If SLV actually sold physical metal, then it would help those who sold SLV when they buy their replacement physical.
I think that millions of shares of SLV have been bought with little price rise,
so why should millions of shares being sold have much effect on the price?
The rest of your logic is confounding to say the least Mr. Shelley.
If I can pickup a $50,000 investment in my hands, and put it in a file cabinet,
then I'll support the dealers who can make that possible.
Better them than the bit pushers.
I'll stand by my serious suggestion.
Unlike you, I have no self serving motive to see these crooked markets continue.
I actually want to see a prosperous America.
Everyone.
I am confident that those who heed my full advice to sell the phony equities and buy real silver will thank me later.
Sell SLV, crush JP Morgan.

I don't argue with either. I have always thought that SLV was a lousy way to invest in Silver based on reading the prospectus. I also would be one of those roaring in laughter at the business channel anytime I heard that JPM got bit on the a** big time for one reason or another. My point is that the two don't necessarily go together. I would agree with selling SLV and converting the cash into a better vehicle. I just don't think that doing that with the idea that you will harm JPM is a sound trading decision.

Matthew C. Shelley
Commodity Broker

As always: Trading in futures and options is very high risk investing. You can lose all or more of the money you invest. Only risk capital should be used.

silverheartbone
8th December 2010, 16:58
I don't argue with either. I have always thought that SLV was a lousy way to invest in Silver based on reading the prospectus. I also would be one of those roaring in laughter at the business channel anytime I heard that JPM got bit on the a** big time for one reason or another. My point is that the two don't necessarily go together. I would agree with selling SLV and converting the cash into a better vehicle. I just don't think that doing that with the idea that you will harm JPM is a sound trading decision.

Thanks for your reasoned response Mr. Shelley.

Hope the financial markets are reformed in a major way.
Make it impossible to short equities.
No need for arbitrage.
If there is a large spread, that is the free market at work.

skijake
8th December 2010, 18:00
I hope that you replaced it with real silver.





Absolutley.
At first I was fooled by the idea that I could invest my 401 money in Silver by purchasing SLV but then I realized those bums could run SLV to nothing if they so chose but if I owned the actual physical they couldn't do anything to my stash.
Cashed out my Retirement money {while I still could} and I now control my own retirement, Thank-you very much.
All the new Silver mingled very nicely with all of my old Silver so there was no problem.
Sometimes I check in on them and they are all snuggled together like puppies after a meal.
They all seem very content together. lol

orlando_wrx
8th December 2010, 19:08
So you're all in? Very gutsy! Make sure you keep an active role in your very large stash (sorry, had to) and an open eye on when this bull might tucker-out...I'd like to believe it's here to the moon, but wow, sending all good vibes your way!

Cup-of-Ruin
8th December 2010, 19:18
sell slv, crush jp morgan!!!!!!!

skijake
8th December 2010, 20:59
So you're all in? Very gutsy! Make sure you keep an active role in your very large stash (sorry, had to) and an open eye on when this bull might tucker-out...I'd like to believe it's here to the moon, but wow, sending all good vibes your way!

Thanks Brother.
To be fair, I'm not All-In Silver but I am All-Out of paper Silver. I like my chances here but of course only time will tell.
As for the "member' with the very big stash I've always wondered what his definition entails.:roll:

gollumthegreat
8th December 2010, 21:14
So you're all in? Very gutsy! Make sure you keep an active role in your very large stash (sorry, had to) and an open eye on when this bull might tucker-out...I'd like to believe it's here to the moon, but wow, sending all good vibes your way!

I am practically all in also. In Feb 2008 I initially went 50% gold, 25% platinum, 25% silver. Made the mistake of paper certificates with those people down under. Then there was the takedown.

I waited for my platinum to regain its value, then spent about half of it turning it into physical Silver 1oz Koalas, Kookaburras, and Lunar Tigers. The VAT, insurance, shipping and fabrication cost me around 4,500 but as they say "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Especially a Silver Kookaburra.

I've still got my Au, and if they decide to take Silver down again, I think I will just have to convert it into a few monster boxes.

AgShaman
9th December 2010, 01:40
Funny how the US Mint is breaking the law with their inability to keep up with demand in the silver coinage dept. At the same time SLV just sells more pieces of paper and backs it up with more shipments into their warehouses. One has world supply access and the other U.S. mine supply.

Instead of instituting new legislation to worm out of their obligations to keep up with investor/collector demand....maybe the U.S. Mint should do like SLV and just pick it up at prevailing market prices and via world suppliers. I mean, if it's so easy for SLV to restock the warehouse, then the U.S. Mint really has no excuse to follow the laws originally layed down.

They will hope you don't make the connection....they will try to rewrite new laws releasing them from their obligations of providing sufficient product to compliment the demand. It's not asking alot...expecting the Mint to take an axiomatic approach to their business. Apparently, the SLV Trust has no trouble keeping up with their demand...and they've not been in business nearly as long as the U.S. Mint.

It all just really smells....it not only will crush JPM...it will crush the U.S. Mint

Crash Silver....Crash Damn You! (wait until tomorrow though)

Cup-of-Ruin
9th December 2010, 03:28
I am practically all in also. In Feb 2008 I initially went 50% gold, 25% platinum, 25% silver. Made the mistake of paper certificates with those people down under. Then there was the takedown.

I waited for my platinum to regain its value, then spent about half of it turning it into physical Silver 1oz Koalas, Kookaburras, and Lunar Tigers. The VAT, insurance, shipping and fabrication cost me around 4,500 but as they say "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". Especially a Silver Kookaburra.

I've still got my Au, and if they decide to take Silver down again, I think I will just have to convert it into a few monster boxes.

Silver kookaburra's already commanding big preimiums as much as 20% or more, Lunar Tigers even more!

silverheartbone
9th December 2010, 06:19
OK then I'll do a puppybear video and post it here,
if I can come up with a good 2 minute conversation.

Does anybody have any ideas for script lines that they wish to share?

silverheartbone
26th January 2011, 09:48
Kind of going against logic here. If you sell SLV, then SLV will have to sell physical(according to the miasmic prospectus of course). IF JPM is short boatloads as some say, and SLV sells physical it will be a negative for the Silver market in general. Thus benefitting JPM much more than the few bucks in handling fees for SLV that they will lose. You will then likely give up a sizable bid/offer spread to your physical dealer. Seems the winner in the deal would be the physical dealer and the bigger loser would be you.

After further thought, do you want to try again? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://forums.silverseek.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

silverheartbone
26th January 2011, 10:03
It seems righteous. http://forums.silverseek.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

BNN speaks to David Franklin, Market Strategist at Sprott Asset Management CEO of Sprott Private Wealth (http://watch.bnn.ca/#clip403553) January 18, 2010 about the tight metal markets.

If you actually own SLV shares, you probably should watch this young man speak about the current market.

Matthew Shelley
26th January 2011, 10:15
After further thought, do you want to try again? http://forums.silverseek.com/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://forums.silverseek.com/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif

Nah. I got it right the first time.

silverheartbone
31st January 2011, 09:17
Is the sinking of the Titanic related to the creation of the Federal Reserve?
http://www.cabaltimes.com/wp-content/gallery/fed/RMS_Titanic_4.jpg
Among the private bankers who attended (http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/01/federal-reserve-as-instrument-of-war.html), those aligned to the German Rothschild banking family figure prominently. In fact, Rothschild frontman J.P. Morgan is said to have arranged the trip. And once the Federal Reserve Act was enacted, banks aligned to both the Rothschild and Rockefeller families became the most prominent member banks in the Federal Reserve System, on account of their large sizes. If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 is related to the creation of the Federal Reserve. According to Bill Hughes, some of the older wealthy families of America wanted a bigger share in the Federal Reserve, and threatened to oppose the creation of the Federal Reserve until their wish was granted. So J.P. Morgan had his White Star Lines build the Titanic. All these competing families were invited for the maiden voyage. But J.P. Morgan cancelled his booking at the last minute.

Perhaps this could begin to explain the historic over emphasis,
the crazy continued focus by TPTB on this particular ocean liner?

MiloMorai
24th July 2011, 14:44
Is the sinking of the Titanic related to the creation of the Federal Reserve?
http://www.cabaltimes.com/wp-content/gallery/fed/RMS_Titanic_4.jpg
Among the private bankers who attended (http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/01/federal-reserve-as-instrument-of-war.html), those aligned to the German Rothschild banking family figure prominently. In fact, Rothschild frontman J.P. Morgan is said to have arranged the trip. And once the Federal Reserve Act was enacted, banks aligned to both the Rothschild and Rockefeller families became the most prominent member banks in the Federal Reserve System, on account of their large sizes. If the conspiracy theorists are to be believed, the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 is related to the creation of the Federal Reserve. According to Bill Hughes, some of the older wealthy families of America wanted a bigger share in the Federal Reserve, and threatened to oppose the creation of the Federal Reserve until their wish was granted. So J.P. Morgan had his White Star Lines build the Titanic. All these competing families were invited for the maiden voyage. But J.P. Morgan cancelled his booking at the last minute.

Perhaps this could begin to explain the historic over emphasis,
the crazy continued focus by TPTB on this particular ocean liner?

Yeah you just had to get me reading the passenger list and stories, mostly in the 3rd class section, now on to something elsehttp://www.postsmile.net/img/19/1963.gif (http://www.postsmile.com/), alot of Swedes and Lebanese on the 3rd class list.

http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-first-class-passengers/

MaxMiser
24th July 2011, 15:40
Two of my distant relatives were crew on the ship, Both Died !
I hate J. P. Morgan even more now.:(
http://unitednationsoffilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/crash_jpmorgan_buy_silver.jpg

silverheartbone
30th December 2011, 10:25
Is the sinking of the Titanic related to the creation of the Federal Reserve?

Counterinsurgency against the Old World Order. (http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-12-02.mp3)

A few more details dribble out about the dastardly deed.

Malus
30th December 2011, 10:49
Personally, I don't think anyone/thing could crash JPM, except JPM. Still, going physical and exiting paper (I agree) is the best avenue. These ups and downs (IMO) cannot be explained in a chart or historical referencing. We live in a cartoon and as long as we play (and have faith) in the paper markets more and more are going to get burned. I believe these large corporations/banks are milking us for as long as they can, so when the crash comes nobody has anything to fall back on and will be subject to the whims of this criminal cabal. I don't understand how many here still dabble in the markets. They're rigged, we know it and yet still try to predict what the hell is going to happen (seasonal/market forces/whatever). Pay your bills off, prep some supplies and stack the shiny stuff. IMO, its your best bet..............

silverheartbone
15th April 2012, 14:16
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/St%C3%B6wer_Titanic.jpg/300px-St%C3%B6wer_Titanic.jpg

The sinking of the RMS Titanic on 15 April 1912, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_RMS_Titanic) with the loss of over 1,500 lives, was one of the deadliest peacetime maritime disasters in history. Four days into her maiden voyage from Southampton to New York, Titanic at the time the world's largest ship struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic off Newfoundland.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic

hekura
16th April 2012, 11:35
Counterinsurgency against the Old World Order. (http://divinecosmos.com/podcasts/Wilcock_Fulford_2011-12-02.mp3)

A few more details dribble out about the dastardly deed.

Thanks for finding this, SHB...mind-blowing. I'm not too certain about what (exactly) the BF/DW duo are trying to achieve, but the story is absolutely gob-smacking. I hadn't run across this piece, but I'm familiar with some of the more recent stuff. As usual, we poor pathetic "eaters" are blissfully unaware of these high-level machinations. It is only logical that the Asian version of the "illuminati", have their own agenda. In fact, I'm greatly relieved there's another "block" of elitists, who have the sheer financial/social power to oppose the Western Monolith. Ultimately, we "little people" will only receive "glimpses" of the big-picture, along the way...and we are sort-of held hostage by the BF-type sources, since there's really no other "credible" info coming to the fore, right now.

silverheartbone
26th December 2012, 19:50
Thanks for finding this, SHB...mind-blowing. I'm not too certain about what (exactly) the BF/DW duo are trying to achieve, but the story is absolutely gob-smacking. I hadn't run across this piece, but I'm familiar with some of the more recent stuff. As usual, we poor pathetic "eaters" are blissfully unaware of these high-level machinations. It is only logical that the Asian version of the "illuminati", have their own agenda. In fact, I'm greatly relieved there's another "block" of elitists, who have the sheer financial/social power to oppose the Western Monolith. Ultimately, we "little people" will only receive "glimpses" of the big-picture, along the way...and we are sort-of held hostage by the BF-type sources, since there's really no other "credible" info coming to the fore, right now.
Yes sir.

Now check this out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfPtDvm3a_s

Also see:
http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/19/the-titanic-the-mass-murder-that-created-the-federal-reserve-bank-and-the-new-world-orders-20th-century/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/05/was-the-titanic-deliberately-sunk-by-jp-morgan-video/