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hiyosilver
30th August 2008, 02:48
feedback about McCain's choice of Palen.

A 72 year old nominee has chosen a mother of five whose 4 month old baby has down syndrome. Would she have time to be president if his health failed, or would Pelosi take her place?

Renegade
30th August 2008, 03:25
Well golly gee,,,,,,,not sure we ever had a president with children before,,,,,,,,

Renegade

hiyosilver
31st August 2008, 01:02
siblings?..

Thoriz
31st August 2008, 10:31
siblings?..

Ever heard of Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida?

hiyosilver
1st September 2008, 00:00
Wow, nobody on here got anything to say about the McCain-Palen ticket? With all the political theories I've seen on here, it seems like someone would have an opinion. You want my opinion? Either way, we're all freakin' doomed!

skijake
1st September 2008, 10:11
Wow, nobody on here got anything to say about the McCain-Palen ticket? With all the political theories I've seen on here, it seems like someone would have an opinion. You want my opinion? Either way, we're all freakin' doomed!

Bumber sticker a customer [ conservative ] gave me. WE'RE SCREWED "08" :rolleyes:

nuslvrkwen
5th September 2008, 14:06
I've not gotten involved in this kind of discussion because I believe it doesn't solve anything. We know about the silver market, and how our government has affected it world wide. I'm not trying to get people to vote one way or another. I WANT THEM TO VOTE. But we must really look at all the stuff that's come before Sarah Palin's being elevated to VP nomination, and since. We have to really look at what the parties call their 'political platform', and not get confused with 'political branding'. This country is all about marketing. Looks like the Who's chorus: Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

The Word From Wasilla
Thu Sep 4, 1:52 PM ET

The Nation -- Everyone is trying to get the measure of Sarah Palin, the woman who was rocketed from small-state obscurity to the national stage when John McCain selected her as his running-mate on the 2008 Republican ticket.
Republican senators and governors are admitting interviews, as former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, did with me a few minutes ago that: "Most of us don't really know her personally."
Well, Anne Kilkenny does know Sarah Palin.
Kilkenny's a good citizen of Wasilla, Alaska, the city where Palin got her political state as a city council member and then mayor. She's a self-described "housewife" who volunteers as a voter registrar, has been active in the PTA and regularly attends local government meetings.
She is, as well, someone who has clashed with Palin. More than a decade ago, when Palin was campaigning to ban books, Kilkenny says, "I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship."
What's Kilkenney's take?
Here's a letter she has circulated
I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.
She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.
She's smart.
Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.
During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative." During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later -- to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.
She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.
While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

nuslvrkwen
5th September 2008, 14:07
As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).
As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.
As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".
She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.
As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.
Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

hiyosilver
5th September 2008, 23:18
Whoa!...as the locals where I live would say, "Ain't that a bitch?"

buff
18th September 2008, 20:19
There is something to be said about full time motherhood. Just look at what a wonderfull job George and Laura did with their two daughters.

Trvlr45
13th October 2008, 04:45
I don't trust McCain. I trust Obama far less and i'm not paying ANY attention to what the media has to say about Palin. As usual, they can't come up with anything concrete to hang on her so they have to create "Troopergate" which is a non-issue. If a cop is seen driving around drunk in the patrol car, threatens to kill the governors father and tasers an 11 year old i wouldn't call it "abuse of power" for the governor to go after him.

I listened for three days while people from Alaska were asked to call various talk shows and say what they thought about Palin. This was before the communists on the left started in with all the BS. This was 2 days after the announcment.

Every call was the same. They are nuts about her up there and everyone from Alaska I heard call in had nothing but praise for her. Of course there are those that don't like her but from what I heard for 3 days, from Alaskans, not the New York Slimes, was nothing but praise.

The various feminist groups have just proved to me what i already knew. Feminism is a farce. They don't support her because they hate her and the reason they hate her is because she is everything they want to be but aren't.

She didn't use social programs and taxpayers money to get where she is. She hasn't been "empowered" by a group victimization mentality where she got into politics to screw over the middles class by stealing their money and spending it "For the Children". And worst of all? She has never had an abortion which is the sacrament of life at the NOW organization and that is coming from someone who isn't religious and I could care less who gets an abortion. It's none of my business. I just think that with the steady erosion of property rights due to environmental terrorism and illegal "income" taxes enforced with armed response by government Nazi's sporting Fascista black raid gear which is also a hallmark of being "empowered" we have bigger worries than getting abortions.

Look at what a mess this country is in due to a bunch of career politicians with all their worldly knowledge. I say leave the hockey mom alone and let her give it a try. We may be surprised if McCain doesn't muck it up. How can it get any worse than it already is?

As for Biden? Oh please!! I can't even comment on him. He's senile. Why waste the time?

Personally, I don't think ANYONE can fix the train wreck we are headed for but I know one thing, Obama and biden will definitely make it FAR worse than McCain and Palin. We already have Pelosi to worry about. We don't need two more American haters to join forces with her.

Trvlr45
13th October 2008, 04:57
feedback about McCain's choice of Palen.

A 72 year old nominee has chosen a mother of five whose 4 month old baby has down syndrome. Would she have time to be president if his health failed, or would Pelosi take her place?

Nothing could save us if Pelosi became president. The woman is economically illiterate, evil, voted one of the most corrupt politicians, in the top ten, of 2007 by Judicial Watch and, Like Obama, has never signed a piece of legislation that either didn't further her political career, fatten Paul's bank account or screw over middle America with taxation to buy votes from illegal aliens and the ignorant in general.

And people are worried about Palin being the president? Her "lack of experience" can't even compare to Obama or Pelosi's and they are both evil to boot.

Kelly
13th October 2008, 09:15
I am anything but thrilled about McCain, make no bones about it. But I am going to agree with you Trvlr, Obama scares the crap out of me too. If he's got Brzezinski as one of his main advisors, it can only mean one thing. He's been picked, conditioned, trained and bought and paid for by the Council on Foreign Relations. That mean's the Banksters and elititsts have chosen him.

If you REALLY listen to his speeches, he is backing the CFR take on things all the way. Scary. Really, really scary. And what makes it even more scary is that the vast majority of people don't have a clue.