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What is Truth?
6th February 2010, 21:06
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess118_2009-2010/bills/4501.htm


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H. 4501

STATUS INFORMATION

General Bill
Sponsors: Rep. M.A. Pitts
Document Path: l:\council\bills\swb\7028cm10.docx

Introduced in the House on February 2, 2010
Currently residing in the House Committee on Ways and Means

Summary: Silver and gold coins

HISTORY OF LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS

Date Body Action Description with journal page number
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2/2/2010 House Introduced and read first time HJ-85
2/2/2010 House Referred to Committee on Ways and Means HJ-86

View the latest legislative information at the LPITS web site

VERSIONS OF THIS BILL

2/2/2010

(Text matches printed bills. Document has been reformatted to meet World Wide Web specifications.)

A BILL

TO AMEND THE CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, BY ADDING ARTICLE 18 TO CHAPTER 1, TITLE 1 SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT SILVER AND GOLD COIN SHALL BE LEGAL TENDER IN PAYMENT OF CERTAIN DEBTS.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of South Carolina:

SECTION 1. Chapter 1, Title 1 of the 1976 Code is amended by adding:

"Article 18

Gold and Silver Coin as Legal Tender

Section 1-1-1110. The South Carolina General Assembly finds and declares that the State is experiencing an economic crisis of severe magnitude caused in large part by the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin as legal tender in this State. The General Assembly also finds and declares that immediate exercise of the power of the State of South Carolina reserved under Article I, Section 10, Paragraph 1 of the United States Constitution and by the Tenth Amendment, is necessary to protect the safety, health and welfare of the people of this State, by guaranteeing to them a constitutional and economically sound monetary system.

New User
6th February 2010, 21:57
I wonder if this has any chance of going farther than a similar bill that is stuck in Committee in the State of Georgia? Good for them in any case. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend.

Sidenote - The thought of SC being on the leading edge of anything is mind boggling.

akak
6th February 2010, 22:36
I wonder if this has any chance of going farther than a similar bill that is stuck in Committee in the State of Georgia? Good for them in any case. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend.

Sidenote - The thought of SC being on the leading edge of anything is mind boggling.

In the 1830s, they were on the leading edge of the secessionist movement.

May they be so again very soon!

LETMYSILVERGO
7th February 2010, 01:41
In the 1830s, they were on the leading edge of the secessionist movement.

May they be so again very soon!


they will have a new rebel flag ----GOLD BARS & SILVER STARS

akak
7th February 2010, 05:50
they will have a new rebel flag ----GOLD BARS & SILVER STARS

I would fly that flag!

(Just gotta remember to keep an eye on it!)

Cup-of-Ruin
7th February 2010, 07:47
Way to go, silver and gold for payment, now there is a good idea.

Islandman
7th February 2010, 07:52
If they pass the bill and gold and silver are accepted for payment, how will they determine the value? in FRNs? It will get complicated as the spot is always changing

Cup-of-Ruin
7th February 2010, 07:55
If they pass the bill and gold and silver are accepted for payment, how will they determine the value? in FRNs? It will get complicated as the spot is always changing

I don't think they are planning on having to go by what the London Fix Rothschilds set spot at everyday, who do they think they are, God? In the future silver and gold will not have a fixed FRN value.

Islandman
7th February 2010, 08:03
Then the onlt way you could pay NOW with gold or silver is to barter...The buyer and the seller agreeing on how many FRNs the product or service is worth. Imagine going to Home Depot to buy a shovel and bringing your silver to pay?

Cup-of-Ruin
7th February 2010, 08:14
Then the onlt way you could pay NOW with gold or silver is to barter...The buyer and the seller agreeing on how many FRNs the product or service is worth. Imagine going to Home Depot to buy a shovel and bringing your silver to pay?

I just don't know how to answer this, or whether I should even bother, your clearly a moron.

realmoney
7th February 2010, 08:24
If they pass the bill and gold and silver are accepted for payment, how will they determine the value? in FRNs? It will get complicated as the spot is always changing

Well, read the bill ;)

Section 1-1-1150. The value of any silver or gold coin as legal tender in payment of any debt specified in Section 1-1-1130 must be denominated in 'dollars' calculated as follows:

(1) the value of any silver coin must be calculated by dividing the weight of fine silver in grains (troy) that the coin shall contain by 371.25 grains, and expressing the quotient in 'dollars';

(2) the value of any gold coin shall be calculated by multiplying the weight of fine gold in grains (troy) that the coin shall contain by the proportion by weight between silver and gold as determined by the Treasurer of the State of South Carolina by dividing the product of such multiplication by 371.25 grains, and expressing the quotient in 'dollars'; and

(3) at the beginning of each business day, the State Treasurer shall determine the average proportion by weight by which gold exchanges against silver in the major precious metals market or markets in the State, and

(a) shall immediately make available this determination to any person upon request without charge; and

(b) shall permanently certify and record this determination.

...

Not perfect, but a damn good start.

RM

Sakata
7th February 2010, 08:24
If they pass the bill and gold and silver are accepted for payment, how will they determine the value? in FRNs? It will get complicated as the spot is always changing

One of the other states (if thing Georgia, but I may be wrong) had gold and silver accounts which were use to pay bills to and from the state. you deposit money in, presumably at the current spot price, and the tae money at, again presumably at the then current spot price.

Sakata
7th February 2010, 08:29
(1) the value of any silver coin must be calculated by dividing the weight of fine silver in grains (troy) that the coin shall contain by 371.25 grains, and expressing the quotient in 'dollars';

So they are saying that 371.25 grains of silver is worth a dollar. Given that there are 480 grains to the ounce they are saying that an ounce of silver will be worth $1.30. Seems to me like a perfect scam for the government to get your money cheap. Please tell me I am wrong.

paper_no_more
7th February 2010, 10:22
So they are saying that 371.25 grains of silver is worth a dollar. Given that there are 480 grains to the ounce they are saying that an ounce of silver will be worth $1.30. Seems to me like a perfect scam for the government to get your money cheap. Please tell me I am wrong.

Got to be wrong, even the world's most efficient mines can't get it out the ground that cheap, so how does that figure?

Farthing
7th February 2010, 12:42
So they are saying that 371.25 grains of silver is worth a dollar. Given that there are 480 grains to the ounce they are saying that an ounce of silver will be worth $1.30. Seems to me like a perfect scam for the government to get your money cheap. Please tell me I am wrong.

I don't read it like that. It says quotient to be expressed in dollars, not as a dollar. Also that the treasurer will use precious metals markets in the state for determination. It seems that it will float with markets. At least that's the way I read it.

But where does this 371.25 grains come from?
And "market or markets IN the state"?
480/371.25 = 1.29 x 15.20(spot) = $19.65 oz troy
Is that what they are saying? Allowing for premiums paid to encourage support or just what is going on here?
I'm missing something simple.

tim
7th February 2010, 13:14
heres is an idea the state tax for all state citizens shall be on TEN ounces of silver per year.......... now the state determines the value.................... state pays wage salary one silver ounce per day for school teachers? one ounce a day for state assemblymen? police one ounce per day? the PRICE IS THE WEIGHT............ THE VALUES OF THE WEIGHT CHANGE............. an economy based on productive merit based rewards facilitated by a STANDARD community exchange.. to benifit all who participate honestly and fairly..............WTF??? I JUSTWOKE UP I HAD A DREAM...... OH WELL ,BACK TO A PAPER MONOPOLY DEBT SLAVERY DICTATED POWER SYSTEM TO BENIFIT THE WELL CONNECTED.........

ArchitectJS
7th February 2010, 13:45
I don't read it like that. It says quotient to be expressed in dollars, not as a dollar. Also that the treasurer will use precious metals markets in the state for determination. It seems that it will float with markets. At least that's the way I read it.

But where does this 371.25 grains come from?
And "market or markets IN the state"?
480/371.25 = 1.29 x 15.20(spot) = $19.65 oz troy
Is that what they are saying? Allowing for premiums paid to encourage support or just what is going on here?
I'm missing something simple.

371.25 goes back to the original definition of what a dollar was supposed to be

(a) a silver coin of the united states containing 371.25 grains of silver and 41.25 grains of alloy, that is, having a total weight of 412.5 grains. (b) a gold coin of the united states containing 23.22 grains of gold and 2.58 grains of alloy, that is, having a total weight of 25.8 grains, nine-tenths fine. it is no longer coined.
note: previous to 1837 the silver dollar had a larger amount of alloy, but only the same amount of silver as now, the total weight being 416 grains. the gold dollar as a distinct coin was first made in 1849. the eagles, half eagles, and quarter eagles coined before 1834 contained 24.75 grains of gold and 2.25 grains of alloy for each dollar.

but wouldnt the math go something like this.

480 g per oz
371.25/480 = .772 troy oz. x 15.20(spot) = $11.74

$11.74 x CW/371.25 = value

CW(coin grains silver)

admthrwn
7th February 2010, 16:33
I just don't know how to answer this, or whether I should even bother, your clearly a moron.

... and you're clearly an asshole. The guy has 6 posts here and may be a complete noob to all this. Even if he wasn't, when you call someone a moron at least know when to use "your" or "you're" numb nut.

What is Truth?
7th February 2010, 19:18
If the bill caused so much confusion and infighting here just think what it will do on the legislative floor?

Sakata
7th February 2010, 19:56
If the bill caused so much confusion and infighting here just think what it will do on the legislative floor?

Absolutely nothing. It has no chance of passing. At least not just yet.

What is Truth?
7th February 2010, 20:00
Absolutely nothing. It has no chance of passing. At least not just yet.

On that I can (sadly) agree.

:(

Cup-of-Ruin
7th February 2010, 20:00
... and you're clearly an asshole. The guy has 6 posts here and may be a complete noob to all this. Even if he wasn't, when you call someone a moron at least know when to use "your" or "you're" numb nut.


There is good way to spend your time, go round to public forums and do spell checks on every single post, ya moron!

What is Truth?
7th February 2010, 20:04
There is good way to spend your time, go round to public forums and do spell checks on every single post, ya moron!

Actually, it isn't a spell check but rather a grammar issue. But I always suspect those who do either to be frustrated English teachers. :lol:

akak
7th February 2010, 20:08
Actually, it isn't a spell check but rather a grammar issue. But I always suspect those who do either to be frustrated English teachers. :lol:

I was tempted to do the same myself, but just didn't quite have the energy today.

But really, "your" vs. "you're", and "there" vs. "their" vs. "they're" is stuff that should have been learned and mastered in fourth-grade. It astounds me how many adults apparently don't seem to grasp the basic grammar of their own language anymore. If it were I, I know I would be profoundly embarrassed to be making such mistakes over and over, and I would certainly want to know if I were doing so.

What is Truth?
7th February 2010, 20:21
I was tempted to do the same myself, but just didn't quite have the energy today.

But really, "your" vs. "you're", and "there" vs. "their" vs. "they're" is stuff that should have been learned and mastered in fourth-grade. It astounds me how many adults apparently don't seem to grasp the basic grammar of their own language anymore. If it were I, I know I would be profoundly embarrassed to be making such mistakes over and over, and I would certainly want to know if I were doing so.

Sometimes in the heat of discussion the wrong word can jump out even though one knows better.

I just don't want anyone to feel that they shouldn't be heard here just because they may make typos or lack basic grammar/spelling skills. That is one way how the elitist have tried to silent the common man through out history. In doing so much wisdom has been lost.

akak
7th February 2010, 20:27
Sometimes in the heat of discussion the wrong word can jump out even though one knows better.

I just don't want anyone to feel that they shouldn't be heard here just because they may make typos or lack basic grammar/spelling skills. That is one way how the elitist have tried to silent the common man through out history. In doing so much wisdom has been lost.

I agree, which is why the few times that I have felt compelled to so inform a poster, I have done so a via private message as opposed to doing it in public in the forum. There's no need to humiliate or ridicule anyone just because of grammar or spelling --- and no need for those so informed to lash back in hostility either.

What is Truth?
7th February 2010, 20:29
I agree, which is why the few times that I have felt compelled to so inform a poster, I have done so a via private message as opposed to doing it in public in the forum. There's no need to humiliate or ridicule anyone just because of grammar or spelling --- and no need for those so informed to lash back in hostility either.

You then show great compassion and wisdom akak.

Sakata
7th February 2010, 20:32
Sometimes in the heat of discussion the wrong word can jump out even though one knows better.

I just don't want anyone to feel that they shouldn't be heard here just because they may make typos or lack basic grammar/spelling skills. That is one way how the elitist have tried to silent the common man through out history. In doing so much wisdom has been lost.

Agreed. I am a very proficient typist and I can type a common word just like I read it, just as a single entity. Sometimes when I am tired or distracted my fingers will produce the common variant of a homonym just as easily as my eyes will see a word and instantly understand it. However, uncommon words and those without homonyms should not be spelled incorrectly.

akak
7th February 2010, 20:33
You then show great compassion and wisdom akak.

That's kind of you to say, but I have rarely been accused of either!

I mean, come on, I'm just one of those kooky, fringe, precious-metals nuts, right?

:rolleyes:

What is Truth?
7th February 2010, 20:37
That's kind of you to say, but I have rarely been accused of either!

I mean, come on, I'm just one of those kooky, fringe, precious-metals nuts, right?

:rolleyes:


You may be 'guilty' of that, but yet still manage to remain both a gentleman and teacher around here.

akak
7th February 2010, 20:41
You may be 'guilty' of that, but yet still manage to remain both a gentleman and teacher around here.


I guess you missed some of my interactions with Duneyman then!

I wasn't proud of some of that.

Cup-of-Ruin
7th February 2010, 21:36
The point is the idiot was trying to infer that by suggesting that silver and gold can be issued as payment is not practical and the desire of luddites, that was the inference, and the crux of his reasoning was that he imagined it to be inconvienent for him to buy a shovel from Home Depot with silver, well thats just moronic, and I would say that such morons are going to be severely inconvenienced and handicapped by their own lack of imagination in the future, as if the entire history of humanity concludes with the convenience of an Amerikwan shopper at Home Depot or Walmart, I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of 'Kwans, for the most part they seem to have no conception of anything other than FRN's buys stuff from shops everything else seems 'beyond the pale'. Its like a battery hen in a cage pressing a red button with its beak to open the grain chute, press button - grain - press button - grain! FRN's - stuff - FRN's - Walmart, have notes - consume, what is the level of mentality, is it human? Does it deserve to be treated as human? Or should be just treated as a battery hen, what is the difference?

akak
7th February 2010, 21:53
The point is the idiot was trying to infer that by suggesting that silver and gold can be issued as payment is not practical and the desire of luddites, that was the inference, and the crux of his reasoning was that he imagined it to be inconvienent for him to buy a shovel from Home Depot with silver, well thats just moronic, and I would say that such morons are going to be severely inconvenienced and handicapped by their own lack of imagination in the future, as if the entire history of humanity concludes with the convenience of an Amerikwan shopper at Home Depot or Walmart, I am constantly amazed at the stupidity of 'Kwans, for the most part they seem to have no conception of anything other than FRN's buys stuff from shops everything else seems 'beyond the pale'. Its like a battery hen in a cage pressing a red button with its beak to open the grain chute, press button - grain - press button - grain! FRN's - stuff - FRN's - Walmart, have notes - consume, what is the level of mentality, is it human? Does it deserve to be treated as human? Or should be just treated as a battery hen, what is the difference?

At least the battery hen is not proud of its ignorance and captivity, unlike most Americans.

realmoney
7th February 2010, 23:30
Why all the constant bickering back and forth? Page after page of insults or discussions about insults ... tiring really. What should have been a substantial discussion about an actual bill proposing the use of silver and gold as legal tender (something I'm sure many here have opinions about) quickly devolves into useless chatter. Maybe its just late, but it gets old after a while.

DaBrownsRPhat
7th February 2010, 23:43
Yeah for SC!!

They called FRN's unconstitutional. Now every state needs to do the same.

aequitas
8th February 2010, 01:01
Instead of fixing silver and gold weights to the dollar just repeal legal tender laws and allow gold and silver to compete as currency. See how long people keep using money that constantly loses value.

AgShaman
8th February 2010, 01:03
I agree DBRP.....good for them.

States should endeavor to re-establish their sovereignties within the American construct.

49 states should be jealous of them right now.....hopefully they will follow suit and wake up to the priorities regarding their populace.

If the federal govt. is not put in their place soon......civil war will end up being our only salvation. They won't stop in their power grabs. Constitutional money via gold and silver coin could be the best plan states will have to assure their people that economic stability can be salvaged.....I mean, you can't get real optimistic when you ponder the debt liabilities neverending spending mentality fostered in D.C.

Curiosity will not kill the C/Kats of SS Nation!

Cup-of-Ruin
8th February 2010, 02:15
At least the battery hen is not proud of its ignorance and captivity, unlike most Americans.


'Pride comes before a fall', yea perhaps I am insulting battery hens, at least they produce something of worth.

AgShaman
8th February 2010, 02:59
If I was the owner of a mint. I'd put a call into Rep. Pitts from South Carolina and get them under contract to mint state silver rounds for them.

I don't see why mints don't just cut to the chase and start soliciting business from state govts to mint coins for all of them. The feds can just call back all TARP monies and give it to the states to be used for state coinage....what's the prob?....it's clear the money can't be trusted with them to do anything useful with.

Curiosity will not kill the C/Kats of SS Nation!

Islandman
8th February 2010, 06:33
I just don't know how to answer this, or whether I should even bother, your clearly a moron.

Sorry if I confused you, maybe your tin foil hat is on too tight!!

All I was saying is if silver and gold begins to be accepted as payment NOW while FRNs are being used it will be confusing for the general public as the spot price fluctuates day to day.

I am here to learn about silver and share ideas, not to fight and trade insults

Gene Daniels
8th February 2010, 08:21
I liked the idea someone had of turning this into a serious discussion on how PMs might be remonetized. I am starting a new thread for that purpose.

However, please don't jump into that conversation unless you want to do more than name-call.

Cup-of-Ruin
8th February 2010, 19:40
Sorry if I confused you, maybe your tin foil hat is on too tight!!

All I was saying is if silver and gold begins to be accepted as payment NOW while FRNs are being used it will be confusing for the general public as the spot price fluctuates day to day.

I am here to learn about silver and share ideas, not to fight and trade insults

OK, well currencies are fluctuating moreso, Fiat is constantly changing in value, every hour every minute, sometimes as we have seen time and time again, a Fiat currency will be virtually wiped out and rendered effectively worthless overnight, leaving whosoever has hold of the Fiat to lose all the value of the Fiat currency. Sometimes the value is just halved, like the Aus. Dollar which two years ago was at parity with the U.S. Dollar but then lost 50% of its value in the space of a few weeks, it then regained and then now is falling again, silver and gold in Aus Dollars has just steadily held its value and purchasing power or risen significantly. The Aus. $ like all Fiat currencies is eroding over time, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, but overall, in general these currencies are being debased and losing their value.

Or take for example Venezuala, where the government decided to halve the value of their fiat overnight, so anybody with that fiat had their savings cut in half, one day you are worth 50% less then you were before, this happens all the time, in countries all over the world, if however you had silver and gold, your value would have doubled when compared with the devalued Venezualan currency. Take your own currency, it has steadily lost 92% of its value since it was introduced, now I would call that inconvenience, the public is inconvenienced by the fact that they need more and more dollars to purchase the same thing, because the fiat is losing value, or they are inconvenienced by saving in dollars only to watch those dollars be able to purchase less and less, or not even able to use them at all. This is not the case with silver and gold, which can always be used, and is far more liquid than fiat currency and it retains its purchasing power.

What is Truth?
8th February 2010, 20:28
So fellow posters, what wasn't serious enough about this thread that someone felt he had to start a new one about the topic? :confused:

AgShaman
8th February 2010, 20:41
They wanna discuss grain weight contents and exchange rates as to implementation of it.

Rather than the truth of it all.....deceit is fought by actions, not words....and South Carolina has just made all the stackers look bad...like we are weak in our faith.

SC is making an attempt to take steps and not be subservient or worrysome of a private corporation (that's never been audited).

No state in the country should play second fiddle to the FED.....South Carolina looks to be currently the only star that deserves to fly on the American flag.

Curiosity will not kill the C/Kats of SS Nation!

DaBrownsRPhat
8th February 2010, 20:55
No state in the country should play second fiddle to the FED.....

The states created the federal government, and they can dissolve it as well. :cool:

What is Truth?
8th February 2010, 21:14
The states created the federal government, and they can dissolve it as well. :cool:

Not going to happen as long as the States have to beg the Federal Government to get some of their own money back.

AgShaman
8th February 2010, 21:27
Yes, agreed....cutting the umbilical cord will no doubt prove to be painful.

What's the alternative:

States can act now and sacrifice a decade of pain or however long it takes to get back to sanity.

Or:

Know that inaction will result in a lost constitutional republic..........the sons and daughters of America will lay no claim to the banner of freedom if it's people lack the courage to take the right path....regardless of how painful.

Curiosity will not kill the C?kats of SS Nation!

Cup-of-Ruin
8th February 2010, 21:31
They wanna discuss grain weight contents and exchange rates as to implementation of it.

Rather than the truth of it all.....deceit is fought by actions, not words....and South Carolina has just made all the stackers look bad...like we are weak in our faith.

SC is making an attempt to take steps and not be subservient or worrysome of a private corporation (that's never been audited).

No state in the country should play second fiddle to the FED.....South Carolina looks to be currently the only star that deserves to fly on the American flag.

Curiosity will not kill the C/Kats of SS Nation!

Yes and once well 'governments' and states and individuals accept silvver and gold as real settlement which it is, then they will attract the metal, SC if going ahead with this will just attact more metal, which of course will make it richer instead of poorer, if you accept FED notes you will become poorer because those notes as we all know are debased and devalued over time and will eventually reach their inherent value, whic would be approx. zero. The fact that certain people and governments are beginning to realize this is a given, its just a matter of time, obviously the facts are undeniable. Then again if people want to accept a filthy rag printed on by a private company as settlement, and have that same settlement stolen again by inflation, then they deserve just that, but regardless of their stupidity the inherrent value of the fiat fed money is zero. I wouldn't even use it for toilet paper, neither would the people that print it accept or use it for toilet paper, what is it? Other then a dull reflection of society's own ignorance and slothlike laziness and moral decay, and degeneracy!

Silver and gold represent a perfect weight and measure by which settlement can be made and value stored which equates to wealth, its truthful and noble, its a noble substance.

Fed Fiat represents a false system of debt creation leading to slavery, its fraudulent and ignoble and has not benefit to anyone other then those who have the forceful right to create and issue it, it represents the opposite of wealth and settlement.

Well people can choose which one they prefer, many will choose slavery, they are most likely degenerate masochists and enjoy the abuse, others will abhor the debt and slavery and would rather be settled in the noble substance of real wealth and prosper by it and obtain freedom, they are not content with slavery, they do not like being yoked and chained to unpayable debt for the term of their natural lives and so they will reject it.

Was not man created free? Does he not have reason? Can he not choose? So maybe some choose slavery, very well, so be it, but some will obtain freedom and demand truth and be distinguished with the title of 'Man'.

goldsilber
10th February 2010, 14:26
Why all the constant bickering back and forth? Page after page of insults or discussions about insults ... tiring really. What should have been a substantial discussion about an actual bill proposing the use of silver and gold as legal tender (something I'm sure many here have opinions about) quickly devolves into useless chatter. Maybe its just late, but it gets old after a while.

You are right but it has a positive side also. It's anyway better to let out some aggressiveness hammering on a keyboard than in the real life.

DaBrownsRPhat
10th February 2010, 16:55
Looks like I praised SC too early. They go and do something great like this, but then they go and do something like

this .... http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c029.htm


Title 23 - Law Enforcement and Public Safety






CHAPTER 29.

SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES REGISTRATION ACT
SECTION 23-29-10. Short title.
This chapter may be cited as the "Subversive Activities Registration Act."

SECTION 23-29-20. Definitions.
For the purposes of this chapter the following words, phrases and terms are defined as follows:

(1) "Subversive organization" means every corporation, society, association, camp, group, bund, political party, assembly, body or organization, composed of two or more persons, which directly or indirectly advocates, advises, teaches or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means;

(2) "Organization subject to foreign control" means every corporation, society, association, camp, group, bund, political party, assembly, body or other organization, composed of two or more persons, which comes within either of the following:

(a) it solicits or accepts financial contributions, loans or support of any kind directly or indirectly from, or is affiliated directly or indirectly with, a foreign government or a political subdivision thereof, an agent, agency or instrumentality of a foreign government or political subdivision thereof, a political party in a foreign country or an international political organization or

(b) its policies, or any of them, are determined by or at the suggestion of, or in collaboration with, a foreign government or political subdivision thereof, an agent, agency or instrumentality of a foreign government or a political subdivision thereof, a political party in a foreign country or an international political organization;

(3) "Foreign agent" means any person whose actions, or any of them, are determined by or at the suggestion of, or in collaboration with, a foreign government or political subdivision thereof, an instrumentality or agency of a foreign government or political subdivision thereof, a political party in a foreign country or an international political organization; and

(4) "Business" includes, but is not limited to, speaking engagements.

SECTION 23-29-30. Effect on freedom of press or speech.
Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to authorize, require or establish censorship or to limit in any way or infringe upon freedom of the press or of speech as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and no regulation shall be promulgated hereunder having that effect.

SECTION 23-29-40. Organizations exempt from application of chapter.
The terms of this chapter do not apply to any labor union or religious, fraternal or patriotic organization, society or association, or their members, whose objectives and aims do not contemplate the overthrow of the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means.

SECTION 23-29-50. Registration by subversive and foreign-controlled organizations.
Every subversive organization and organization subject to foreign control shall register with the Secretary of State on forms prescribed by him within thirty days after coming into existence in this State.

SECTION 23-29-60. Registration of members of subversive and foreign-controlled organizations.
Every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States, of this State or of any political subdivision thereof by force or violence or other unlawful means, who resides, transacts any business or attempts to influence political action in this State, shall register with the Secretary of State on the forms and at the times prescribed by him.

SECTION 23-29-70. Forms and schedule for filing information.
Every organization or person coming within the provisions of this chapter shall file with the Secretary of State all information which he may request, on the forms and at the times he may prescribe.

SECTION 23-29-80. Promulgation of rules and regulations.
The Secretary of State may adopt and promulgate any rules and regulations, not inconsistent with the terms of this chapter, which may be necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter and may alter or repeal such rules and regulations.

SECTION 23-29-90. Penalties.
Any organization or person who violates any of the provisions of this chapter shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by a fine of not more than twenty-five thousand dollars or imprisonment for not more than ten years, or by both fine and imprisonment.


I guess talking bad about the government is no longer allowed, BUT somehow this is not suppose to limit the rights stated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. lol

How about this one from the Declaration of Independence?


When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

What is Truth?
10th February 2010, 17:12
Looks like I praised SC too early. They go and do something great like this, but then they go and do something like

this .... http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t23c029.htm




I guess talking bad about the government is no longer allowed, BUT somehow this is not suppose to limit the rights stated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. lol

How about this one from the Declaration of Independence?

So if you are a subversive you are supposed to register with the state? Now that's rich.. lol

DaBrownsRPhat
10th February 2010, 17:16
So if you are a subversive you are supposed to register with the state? Now that's rich.. lol

Yeah, you have to register yourself, or go to jail and be fined if caught I guess. lol

How about in Nazi Germany having the Jewish population buy their own train tickets?

Ok, maybe not the same level, but you get my point.

realmoney
10th February 2010, 17:20
Show me your papers!

What is Truth?
10th February 2010, 17:24
Most likely that is on the books to make S.C. appear "respectable" to the northeast liberal establishment. I bet it goes back to S.C.'s KKK heydays.